Posted on 06/17/2006 6:15:31 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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N. Koreans Ordered To Raise Their Flag At 2PM, and Listen to Broadcast
N. Korean leadership ordered its citizen to raise their flag and listen to their (government) communique from TV in the evening, according to Sankei Shimbun (of Japan), quoting Japanese government sources.
The paper said it is paying attention this development because it could be related to the launch of Taepodong-2.
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So, nobody died yet? I can come out from under my desk? I didn't hear the ALL CLEAR.
Maybe the NKs are as good at missile launches as they are at weather forecasting!
I take that back - thinking of the shuttle now at the Cape for the umpteenth time in the past few weeks.
I'm about 97% convinced that we have satellite capacity to zap the missle on the pad. I don't know whether it would be like an EMP pulse or laser or what. But I believe we could disable it from space.
I'm convinced we could disable it from UFO type platforms.
But whether the puppet masters would allow such technology ATT, is another matter. I doubt it. They seem determined to keep such things in reserve for support of and empowerment of the global government.
We like the stuff here, too--Roundup.
But I still hate the company. They seem to be big-time globalists and destructive toward family farms.
Long live lumpia!
Most of the urban areas are well away from forests in Northern NM as well as AZ except for Flagstaff. And most of Flagstaff is several blocks from major chunks of forest.
The Verde Valley is devoid of forest. Some scrub sorts of vegitation which can be a problem if it's dense and dry but mostly there's lots of pretty barren areas in terms of sparse vegetation. And Southern Utah is even more devoid of vegetation in big gaping chunks.
Cortez is kind of on the edge of forests but the real forests proper are 10-25 miles away. They have scrub cedar and sage brush but I've yet to see a major forest fire devastate those--though Mesa Verde did suffer quite a huge fire years ago, now that I think of it.
I strongly agree with you.
It's evil pure and simple. Major puppet master treason, imho.
I hear that North Korea does not have a forest fire problem because everyone has eaten the leaves and bark off the trees.
I am not too familar with EMP type producing weapons, but certainly kinetic weapons could do similar damage by using shaped charges to destroy missiles by creating powerful shock waves.
It should be at least theoretically possible to generate shockwaves that would be like having to have a missile withstand the force of an impact with 10 foot concrete barrier that such a kinetic weapon (non-nuclear) might produce with shaped charges. We have invested a lot in deep diving torpedos that have to be able to destroy a Russian sub at deeps up to 3000 feet (the maximum depth of the Alpha class).
There are possible defenses to EMP discharges, but I have no idea of what size EMP might be required depending on the technology used to counter act the EMP discharge...
Something that can destroy Titanium built submarines at a depth of 3000 feet would probably be able to destroy missiles with changes to how the kinetic energy is expended...
But Laser Technology might work at a greater distance in thinner air. So a B52 orbiting at 50,000 feet might have a slightly better range than something at 1000 feet (because of the air density).
During World War II, we were an incredibly productive nation - the Manhattan project probably would have taken longer if there was not a war going on.
In many defense projects, draggin ones feet is rewarded by the government in more money being spent.
I saw an excellent example of this at GE in the 1980s on a major project. GE turned down a capital investment of about $600,000 in computers at the time. Why? Well it was my belief that it was not beneficial (from the profit standpoint) to make GE's engineer and computer programmers more productive.
In this particular case, though, the computer equipment was approved, not based on all the projects, but I asked that the proposal be re-submitted with just the project GE was working on. The proposal sailed through the send time, and had to have the signature of the head of GE Aerospace.
The reason it sailed through was that GE stood to gain a foothold on a major project that was worth billions of dollars (which GE did not have).
So if there was a real threat, we might have a number of programs in production that may be in various stages for testing and pre-production work.
However, I would have to say that much of the testing and procedures that DOD has in place is worthwhile.
There have been real lemons by the DOD, though.
I consider the USS South Dakota to be one of them.
It originally was being designed as a battleship to withstand 14 inch armor piercing shells. But late in the game, it was re-cast as a ship to withstand 16 inch armor piercing shells.
But the problem at that time was that the US abided by the treaty restrictions in place prior to WWII.
And some might say that some of the bugs in the USS South Dakota were either fixed after she went into some fierce battles or never fixed at all.
But even in that case, the Navy probably learned some things that were corrected in the Iowa class - which is probably the best Battleship class ever built - 35 knot maximum speed achieved by at least one of the ships, and fire control radar at a time that this technology was a significant advantage in a surface action. (As Admiral Lee demonstrated with a 10 to 15 minute engagement off bloody Guadacanal that sunk his opposing battleship, and literally scared off the rest of the Japs in the Second Battle of Salvo Island).
Of course, that type of technology was similar to the M1 tanks obliterating their Iraqi tanks in the oil fires in the Gulf War of the early 1990's. Our tanks could easily see and destroy the Russian built tanks whereas the Iraqis had not way at that time to see our tanks because of Saddam's stupidity in lighting the oil fires...
In one case (Guadacanal), it was a night action that hid our ships from the Japanese for the gunfire duel (with the exception of the unfortunate luck of the USS South Dakota that moved in front of a burning US destroyer (struck in the torpedo attack). In the second case, the oil fires might it difficult to find the enemy through normal means in the tank to tank engagement.
Missile engagments have a totally different factor - the speed of the incoming missiles and perhaps the altitude that they might obtain (sub-orbital or orbital path at supersonic speeds exceeding Mach 5).
It is fun to speculate, and use de-classified technology as examples (i.e., World War II battleships).
This http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-korea0618,0,6782445.story?track=rssseems to be about the latest news so far.
I like the "Rods from God" approach to destruction of rogue missile sites. There isn't, to my knowlege, such a system operational at this time, but there is a certain appeal to a foot in diameter tungsten telephone pole suddenly streaking down from space and taking Kim's pet project with it to the netherworld.
Lack of direct action doesn't imply we aren't within range for a double tap, merely we may be more patient and perseverant than the bad guy and want to use him as a magnet to draw out the other bad guys.
Interesting take on US/NK relations and diplomacy, by Orson Scott Card. A bit dated, but still a good read.
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-01-06-1.html
My only concern is what if there is a technical glitch with a rod tungsten hurtling at the earth at 36,000 mph? What about civilian/colateral damage? If that is taken care of, it sounds great... The rest of this post addresses this in more detail...
But I would prefer to refer to them as Rods from god or rods from the gods
Since it is Father's Day, I have respect for the one I consider to be Abba.
They are intriguing, but since they are hurtled to the earth like a meteor from space, a malfunction would be very costly in terms of impact on the wrong area (where civilians might be killed by some technical mishap).
I would prefer something that could have controls and could be self destructed on a malfunction. Deploying things in space has its problems - just look what happened with our Spacelab when it decided to return to earth on its own.
We were able to control where and when it re-entered the earth, but there still had to be an effort to try to make that area of the ocean clear of ships, etc, and hope the debris would not rain down on people anywhere.
Now a rods from god or rods from the gods might be able to be put on a titan rocket and fired at a rogue missile site (as opposed to be dropped from an orbiting satellite).
One movie I have gotten on DVD that is interesting is Stealth -- there is considerable technology used in the making of this film.
And maybe Hollywood should do a film based on rods from the gods. If you might be familar with this film (fictious stealth aircraft capable of Mach 4 or Mach 5), then making a Stealth II: Rods of the gods might actually be helpful to the DoD as well as perhaps a money maker for Hollywood.
But part of the plot in Stealth is that the pilots are assigned to take out some nuclear warheads. The pilot in command makes a good tactical decision not to destroy the warheads because of the wind patterns would rain radioactive waste on civilian areas (because of wind patterns). Of course, the plot continues with one of the pilots decides on taking a rogue course of action, and taking out the warheads anyway - despite the effects on civilians in the area.
You probably know a lot more than I do. I just read lots of scattered stuff from a diversity of sources over a long period of time.
Your analysis sounds reasonable to me.
Thanks.
If they can be acquired and retargeted, missiles have the distinct disadvantage of having to endure almost every vibrational mode in their structural integrity as their mass is constantly changing. This implies that it only take s a very slight destruction of their structural properties in one area of their span to result in the missile tearing itself apart in catastrophic failure.
I've always suspected the Columbia space shuttle failure was more due to a laser strike on say a 3" to 6" portion of the structure than to improper design and fabrication.
Of course it might not be the best strategy to destroy the missile on the launch pad when its a demonstration, instead of waiting for the proper time and place for an attack that might tip your hand of your capacity.
Of course it might not be the best strategy to destroy the missile on the launch pad when its a demonstration, instead of waiting for the proper time and place for an attack that might tip your hand of your capacity.
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I much agree with that.
Too bad too few in power are that reasonable.
Sabotage on the ground might also be a way to do this - or use a stealth weapon where the enemy might have trouble determining if the destruction on the ground was caused by saboteurs or some weapon fired from a distance.
Example would be causing an explosion of the rocket fuel farm used to fuel the rocket. Knowing a way to cause the rocket fuel to explode without being able to trace why it exploded might cause embarrasment for the rogue state (North Korea), and still protect how.
The TV series Alias would suggest a number of ways, but also something that could penetrate defenses undetected (UAV) and cause this to happen.
I guess the short of my response is that it is harder to hit a moving target (missile in flight). But that does not make it impossible...
In the case of this test firing, there is a lot of concern that this missile must fly over Japan or some other country as part of the test. Destroying it just as it leaves North Korean airspace or on the ground might have advantages.
I imagine there are a number of different computers around the world analyzing this situation just because of the complexities and the possible ramifications - as well as the human resources required...
Just stopping by ...last night this thread was amazing!
It's funny noticing that 24 hours later- the rest of the media is catching up with Free Republic.
Last night DRUDGE had nada- zip- nuttin...tonight his front page is plastered with North Korea missles. Last night we had to really dig around to get info- and as usual- FReepers around the world kept us updated on local news.
Remarkable place, Free Republic!
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