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US doctors begin Zarqawi autopsy
BBC ^ | 06/10/06

Posted on 06/10/2006 7:08:02 AM PDT by Pokey78

Two US doctors have begun an autopsy on the body of top militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed in a US-led operation in Iraq this week.

Questions have arisen over how Zarqawi died since the Americans revealed he had still been alive following the bombing of a safe house by US planes.

It is unclear if Zarqawi's remains will be released to his family in Jordan.

Iraq has seen more violence with five butchers shot dead in a shop in Mosul and three deaths in a Baghdad bombing.

Sensitive operation

"The autopsy is going on right now as we speak," Maj Gen William Caldwell, a senior spokesman for the US-led coalition, said in Baghdad.

"We are doing the autopsy to see how he actually died. It will be completed by this evening and will be made public maybe as early as Monday."

Two military experts were flown in to perform the procedure he said, adding that they would be sensitive to Muslim traditions about dealing with the body.

"They are very familiar with this kind of thing," he said.

"One of them has the information and knows the customs and traditions of the religion."

Victims' relatives offended

A row has broken out in Jordan after a number of Islamist politicians offered condolences to Zarqawi's family

The move was condemned by relatives of the 60 people killed in the Jordanian capital, Amman, last year in suicide bombings carried out by Zarqawi's group.

His family, some of whom view him as a martyr, have asked for the return of his body to Jordan for burial but it is not clear if the Jordanian government or the US military will permit this.

Zarqawi was still alive when Iraqi police got to the scene of the air strikes but he died shortly afterwards from his wounds, Gen Caldwell said earlier.

US planes dropped two 500lb (230kg) bombs on his safe house near the city of Baquba on Wednesday.

After US troops arrived, Zarqawi tried to move off the stretcher where he had been placed, Gen Caldwell said.

"Everybody re-secured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he had received from this air strike," he added.

US military officials had earlier said Zarqawi did not survive the strike, which they said came after tip-offs from his organisation.


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To: M-cubed
"(2) 500 lb bombs on one little house should yield a couple of teacups full of body parts to autopsy...or at the very least...the concussion from said bombs would kill even the cockroaches...."
If one is to believe the reports on him being on that stretcher, he must have been reasonably far from the bomb blast and been hit by a few large chunks of collapsing wall masonry, and/or VERY few fragments from the bomb casing - he was neither torn to shreds nor made into a sieve, i.e. whatever hit his body was few in number.
81 posted on 06/10/2006 9:56:28 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Pokey78
It is unclear if Zarqawi's remains will be released to his family in Jordan.

Sure. After they are soaked in pig's blood.

82 posted on 06/10/2006 10:02:21 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: El Gato
"I don't think you'd be offending the hogs."

I was thinking more in terms of poisoning the poor things, myself. Anyone that full of hate must be poisonous.
83 posted on 06/10/2006 10:07:24 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: nmh
AFTER THE AUTOPSY THROW HIS BODY IN THE STREET, MINUS HIS HEAD AND LET HIS FAMILY COLLECT THAT.

Better yet, remove head, attach hog head (sew it on well), and dump the body in front of his family's house from a passing van

84 posted on 06/10/2006 10:08:59 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: LouD
It's too late. To do it properly, we'd have had to start while he was still alive. I bet they just want to see if he had an alien brainsucker or something to cause him to be that hateful.
85 posted on 06/10/2006 10:09:35 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Pokey78
Only the US Government would pay to drop 2 500-lb bombs on someone from a 20 million dollar aircraft and then pay another few grand to see how the sucker died.

He got blowed up! Satisfied?

86 posted on 06/10/2006 10:09:35 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: El Gato
"His account could not be independently verified."

And this why is MSM is so poorly thought of. Until independently verified, "stories" like this should not be reported. It is heartening to see analyst down grades of the likes of NYT. It is heartening to see the downward spiral of circulation of the likes of NYT. They have worked diligently at it and are reaping the rewards.
87 posted on 06/10/2006 10:10:56 AM PDT by Chgogal (The US Military fights for Freedom of the Press while the NYT lies about the Military and cowers...)
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To: GSlob
If one is to believe the reports on him being on that stretcher, he must have been reasonably far from the bomb blast and been hit by a few large chunks of collapsing wall masonry, and/or VERY few fragments from the bomb casing - he was neither torn to shreds nor made into a sieve, i.e. whatever hit his body was few in number

Concussion effects may have caused massive internal bleeding and organ damage, while leaving the skin intact.

88 posted on 06/10/2006 10:18:46 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor

GOOD WEEKEND...WE GOT THE LOW LIFE THUG...


89 posted on 06/10/2006 10:32:28 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: SauronOfMordor

To get concussion only he would have to be pretty far away- the bomb did have a casing, and there was flying masonry. With massive internal bleeding and organ [brain] damage he'd be unconscious on that stretcher. The organ damage was there - he died from it, but the brain was still functional enough for him to react to the people placing him on that stretcher. He would have needed an unusually thick and well-padded skull to ascribe it to the concussion.


90 posted on 06/10/2006 10:50:45 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: bruoz

"Questions have arisen over how Zarqawi died..."
A 500 pound bomb double tap courtesy of the USAF will do it every time."

I think more questions will arise as to how the heck did he live? Not that I am not elated that he got to see who got him, but, just dang.
GO AIR FORCE! (Football Team and Bomber Guys)


91 posted on 06/10/2006 10:58:30 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Pistolshot

I understand the concept of psychological warfare, but I ain't sure that this would achieve the laudable goal of freaking out and demoraliing the enemy.

I don't think for a second that Zarqawi or Bin Ladin or el-Masri or the other islamofascist leaders believe in this crap about pigs being "unclean" for a second. This kind of psych warfare would have to be directed at the ignorami who Zarqawi et al persuade to sign on as suicide bombers and supporters.

The al-qaeda leadership are experts at jerking around and spinning stories for these common folk who are their dupes. Beating them at their own game would be hard to do, this game is their bread and butter.

The late Zarqawi and the rest of their leadership are basically just run of the mill international communists and socialists that use the peasants' superstition and religion against them. Pretending as if Bin Ladin, for example, is a devout muslim holy man is just a lie.

Psychological warfare can and should be used, but its hard to do effectively.

President Bush's idea of introducing democratic forms of government address this very idea, as they reduce the influence of the islamofascist warlords and give the peasants a vote.


92 posted on 06/10/2006 12:14:09 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam
I don't think for a second that Zarqawi or Bin Ladin or el-Masri or the other islamofascist leaders believe in this crap about pigs being "unclean" for a second.

There is your problem. These people are raised with specific beliefs, pigs being one of them. No matter the perversion of their religion, they still hold the precepts of their faith.
Can it work? Possibly, they are still a backward, superstitious people. It was thought at the turn of the century to probably not be effective, but Pershings use and the threat of use did subdue the Moros.

93 posted on 06/10/2006 2:22:08 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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To: Old Student; em2vn
"Why not feed his remains to the hogs?"

***************

What you got against hogs?

No kidding... that Muslim meat is unclean, y'know. ;-)

I can see a Far Side-like cartoon, with the pigs weighing the options. One of them finally say: "I saw we do it, and trichinosis be damned!"

94 posted on 06/10/2006 2:26:58 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts...)
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To: Charles Martel

"I saw we do it, and trichinosis be damned!"

If I'd been drinking when I read that, you'd owe for a new monitor... ;)


95 posted on 06/11/2006 7:23:14 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Ben Hecks

http://www.ccmjournal.com/pt/re/ccm/abstract.00003246-200501001-00011.htm;jsessionid=GMpFCGVcDLjTjJyLTM11pXHJHdLFBz48pTVrWnGJ1nQpFnbxvtyx!-818462210!-949856145!8091!-1

Conventional terrorism and critical care.

Scientific Reviews
Critical Care Medicine. 33(1) Supplement:S61-S65, January 2005.
Singer, Pierre MD; Cohen, Jonathan D. MD; Stein, Michael MD

Abstract:
Incidents of conventional weapons terror are increasingly part of the reality of the modern world, and in Israel, 19,948 incidents have been reported from September 2000 to December 2003. Most victims are injured in explosions resulting from suicide bombings. Exposure to the blast (primary mechanism of injury) may produce unique injuries affecting gas-containing organs, including perforation of the eardrums (most common injury); pulmonary blast injury, characterized by alveolar capillary disruption and bronchopleural fistulas; and bowel perforation, which is uncommon and may be delayed from 1 to 14 days after the injury. However, most injuries are the result of penetrating trauma (secondary mechanism) resulting from bomb fragments and nails, bolts, and steel pellets embedded in the bomb striking the victim, and blunt trauma (tertiary mechanism) sustained when the victim is propelled against an object by the blast wind. The severity of the injuries is increased when the blast occurs in a confined space. Victims of terror-inflicted injuries have a high Injury Severity Score (30% >16), a high requirement for intensive care unit admission (22.8% in Israel), and have a more prolonged hospital course and higher mortality than victims of any other form of trauma.

(C) 2005 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.


96 posted on 06/11/2006 7:36:51 AM PDT by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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