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What Happens When There Is No Plan B? (or Conservatives made me have an abortion)
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, June 4, 2006 | Dana L

Posted on 06/04/2006 5:34:02 AM PDT by Fzob

The conservative politics of the Bush administration forced me to have an abortion I didn't want. Well, not literally, but let me explain.

I am a 42-year-old happily married mother of two elementary-schoolers. My husband and I both work, and like many couples, we're starved for time together. One Thursday evening this past March, we managed to snag some rare couple time and, in a sudden rush of passion, I failed to insert my diaphragm.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: babykiller; bushhaters; postabortivewomen
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To: SuziQ
So to absolve herself of any blame in the death of her child, she blames the PRESIDENT?

No. Try reading it again.

121 posted on 06/04/2006 9:33:18 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Fzob

So sad for Dana.


122 posted on 06/04/2006 9:37:42 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: Ichneumon
She was trying to, but many people are blocking a means by which she could. Thus her point

No one stopped her from using the birth control pill or any of the other forms of birth control

There are many valid reasons that couples decide not to take this step, and it's unconscionable to demand that they do so just because a means of contraception is being withheld for no good reason

I didn't demand anything .. I simply stated that if she and her hubby really wanted to avoid another pregnancy .. either one of them by choice could have gotten a snip snip

If they don't want to do that .. then take personal responsibility for their actions

123 posted on 06/04/2006 9:38:47 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Fzob

Where's the Barf Alert?


124 posted on 06/04/2006 9:42:11 AM PDT by toddlintown
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To: Fzob
You know, I'm looking at this nonsense and I swear I read this 1 year ago or so. This is a retread.
125 posted on 06/04/2006 9:44:21 AM PDT by toddlintown
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To: Ichneumon
This isn't about RU-486. Why don't you try reading the article before you go off on a rant?

I never said it was. I just said I am sure this story is fabricated. It is just waaaayyyyy to nicely packaged with little nuances to take every possible stab at anti-abortionists to be true. This types of stories always turn out to be 'false but accurate'.

126 posted on 06/04/2006 9:46:17 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Ichneumon
That can go for either side of every political argument.

Also unfortunately, it's behavior like this which is giving conservatism liberalism a bad name, and reinforcing the negative stereotype of conservatives as overly moralistic busybodies liberals who want to control other people's lives and force other people to obey their personal views on same sex marriage, reproductive rights (abortion), higher taxes and a total nanny state. This kind of stuff doesn't help bring more people to the conservative liberal (progressive) movement, and it drives a lot of people away.

127 posted on 06/04/2006 9:54:13 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Don't mess with Texas' Senators <"No amnesty! No how. No way." >)
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To: BenLurkin

"She wanted to abort the baby either way.

She is simply unhappy that she couldn't do it easily by taking a pill."

Exactly!

I'm sure her living children are so proud of mom.



128 posted on 06/04/2006 9:59:00 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Arrowhead1952
That can go for either side of every political argument.

Yes it can, and does. But that doesn't ameliorate the fact that many conservatives are needlessly driving people away from conservatism by their misguided behavior.

129 posted on 06/04/2006 10:00:28 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon

You spittled out, "If some pharmacists and physicians are acting on myths instead of reality, they're not fit to practice." Your hatred for people of religious faith is bouncing all over the place. Ah, but you'll say 'I don't hate anyone' won't you! You have missed the entire essence of this woman's screed in the article since you haven't the spirit to perceive the 'it's not a true story but it could be reality' side of this lie meant to promote a myht, a non-reality. Go back to your crevo-evo threads and spittle your crap.


130 posted on 06/04/2006 10:01:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Always Right
[[As always, you are RIGHT! This is a totally concocted story. Sheer nonsense propaganda for RU!]]

[This isn't about RU-486. Why don't you try reading the article before you go off on a rant?]

I never said it was.

I didn't say that *you* had. Learn to read.

I just said I am sure this story is fabricated.

Of course you are.

131 posted on 06/04/2006 10:04:15 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon
Talk about ignorance. You should know. Apparently you are unable to deduce the underlying PURPOSE of this story. This was a concocted story listing every "emotional, touchy-feely, anti-Bush, anti-conservative, pro-abortion (read murder)" leftist agitprop as an excuse to liberalize attitudes towards widespread availability of both abortion and morning-after pill use.

A rant? You need to study your dictionary a little more!

132 posted on 06/04/2006 10:07:51 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: MHGinTN

Well said

Thanks


133 posted on 06/04/2006 10:08:43 AM PDT by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: MHGinTN
You spittled out, "If some pharmacists and physicians are acting on myths instead of reality, they're not fit to practice." Your hatred for people of religious faith is bouncing all over the place.

What are you babbling about?

Oh, I see -- you saw the worth "myth" and thought I was talking about religion. Sorry, you really ought to work on your reading comprehension. I'm talking about the myths concerning the mechanism of this drug, as anyone with a high school education would have been able to discern from the context of my post. Now wipe the "spittle" off your own lip and get back to us when you've lost that persecution complex and are capable of an adult conversation.

Ah, but you'll say 'I don't hate anyone' won't you!

Right, because I don't. If you keep up this kind of belligerent childishness, however, I might be tempted to make an exception in your case though. On second thought, maybe not, I wouldn't want to stoop to your method of dealing with the world and those with whom you disagree.

You have missed the entire essence of this woman's screed in the article since you haven't the spirit to perceive the 'it's not a true story but it could be reality' side of this lie meant to promote a myht, a non-reality. Go back to your crevo-evo threads and spittle your crap.

When you decide to talk about something I actually said instead of screeching like a loon, do get back to me.

134 posted on 06/04/2006 10:10:45 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Doc Savage
[[As always, you are RIGHT! This is a totally concocted story. Sheer nonsense propaganda for RU!]]

[This isn't about RU-486. Why don't you try reading the article before you go off on a rant?]

Talk about ignorance. You should know. Apparently you are unable to deduce the underlying PURPOSE of this story. This was a concocted story listing every "emotional, touchy-feely, anti-Bush, anti-conservative, pro-abortion (read murder)" leftist agitprop as an excuse to liberalize attitudes towards widespread availability of both abortion and morning-after pill use. A rant? You need to study your dictionary a little more!

Oh look, yet another rant. What a surprise.

Look, son, the point remains that you were ranting about RU-486, when this editorial wasn't about that. It was about a *different* kind of "morning after pill" that works on *different* principles, and is neither "abortion" nor "murder" -- it simply prevents ovulation.

And your screeching rant above doesn't alter or excuse your fumbling of your facts, nor does it somehow make me in the "wrong" for correcting your error.

Learn to deal with your mistakes more gracefully.

135 posted on 06/04/2006 10:15:51 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Ichneumon
I DID read it. She blames the President and all of those nasty right wing Republicans (maybe not by name, but by inference) who have forced their religion on the political situation, and have kept her from getting the pill that would, she hoped, keep her from getting pregnant. Because of that inability, she was 'forced' to get an abortion.

She spoke disparagingly of pharmacists who are 'allowed' to follow their consciences and NOT carry the morning after pill, thus thwarting her plan. She was more concerned about something messing up her finely tuned, carefully planned, little life, than accepting this wonderful gift that was given her and her husband. She was so self-centered, that even though she could afford it more than most, she couldn't see what a wonderful opportunity she had to enrich the lives of her children, and the relationship between her and her husband.

Very sad.

136 posted on 06/04/2006 10:19:48 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Ichneumon; Jim Robinson

Oh my! I'm surprised you can even read these threads from way up there on your self-aggrandizing perch. What possessed you to deign communication with we peons of faith today? Nothing brewing on a crev-evo thread for you to use to insult persons of faith? You're such a transparent liar; a pharmacist has had enough biology and chemistry that your 'acting on myths instead of reality' is obvious not directed at a misreading of the biology ... you tried to pull off your lie, but it was too transparent.


137 posted on 06/04/2006 10:21:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Ichneumon

"Those "moral/religious issues" are inexcusable, because they're based on a) gross misunderstandings about how this particular contraception actually works, or b) a "morality" that tries to force their own beliefs about contraception onto other people."

Your argument is stupid. No one is trying to force anything on anyone (except the Washington Post, the left, and apparently yourself). If you continue with this form of "logic", it's like saying every doctor should perform abortions. Some do, but most do not. Doctors and pharmacists are entitled to their own morals and religious beliefs, which are in fact, guaranteed and protected by the Constitution, at least the last time I checked.


138 posted on 06/04/2006 10:30:28 AM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: Ichneumon
I didn't say that *you* had. Learn to read.

Then why include me in the post? Learn how to post.

139 posted on 06/04/2006 10:31:29 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Ichneumon
It was about a *different* kind of "morning after pill" that works on *different* principles, and is neither "abortion" nor "murder" -- it simply prevents ovulation.

Your information is wrong. Plan B can prevent ovulation or it can prevent the embryo from implanting after fertilization, in that respect it is an abortofacient.

There is of course a timeline where the former is much more likely than the latter but the notion of informed consent would seem to demand the public know the facts.

The woman is pissed off at conservatives, I wonder who her aborted baby is pissed off at.

140 posted on 06/04/2006 10:36:02 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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