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Terror Strike Toronto ( Aborted! )
various FR links | 06-04-06 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 06/04/2006 4:04:47 AM PDT by backhoe

RSN: Canada Arrests 17 in Terror Sweep, The 17 may have had contacts in the US.--A very good story about this is here:
http://tinyurl.com/oeyng
There is MUCH more information in this story by reporter MICHELLE SHEPHARD by 1AM this morning. It seems she had foreknowledge of this bust and kept her mouth shut.
 
 
 
http://www.instapundit.com/
A TERROR RING THAT PLANNED OKLAHOMA-CITY-STYLE BOMBINGS has reportedly been smashed in Canada. Interestingly, it seems that Internet monitoring played a key role.
UPDATE: Brendan Loy has more, plus a complaint about Reuters' coverage, which leaves out a lot of details about the Islamist character of the defendants:
 
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004072.html

Terror Cell Apprehended

(bumped to top with updates)

Toronto Sun;

Any guesses at how long it takes the usual suspects to a) downplay the story as much ado about nothing, and/or b) weave it into a conspiracy to turn Canada into Shrubhitler's police state. Update; It's already begun.

A news conference will begin shortly.You can listen live at 650 CKOM.

Stephen Taylor has lots more, including a chilling poem from one of the suspects.

Stop The ACLU on the internet angle and possible affiliations with suspects in the US.

Pajamas Media has a big roundup as well.  Comments (128)

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011653.php

Terror raids in Canada, too

Those arrested are "Muslims, but not Arabs." It's nice to see the mainstream media actually making this elementary distinction, which might begin to dispel the calumny that the anti-jihad resistance is "racism."Comments (45)

http://www.stevejanke.com/archives/179717.php

Terrorists in Toronto
 
Steve Janke at 02:24 AM
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From CTVComments (30)

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/posting.php?mode=quote&p=721308

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The National Post also took a look at the Georgia-Canada connection in Terrorism’s ‘new guard’, published first on May 4, 2006.

Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, 19, and Syed Haris Ahmed, 21, are accused of traveling [sic] to Canada last March for “terrorism-related planning and co-ordination” with local radicals.

Search: Ehsanul Islam Sadequee--http://tinyurl.com/g7ug9

You remember Sadaquee..............I wrote of him him here back in April;

Search: Syed Haris Ahmed--http://tinyurl.com/zkmhy

and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, both U.S. citizens who grew up in the Atlanta area, met with at least three other targets of ongoing FBI terrorism investigations during a trip to Canada in March 2005... More here

The NYT has some interesting info tucked away in its report about the arrests. Apparently the Toronto jihadis may have been in contact with some Georgia jihadis:

http://tinyurl.com/zbsz3

This, of course, is not the first time Sadequee and Ahmed have appeared in news items at Jihad Watch: ttp://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011656.php   Comments (38)  "They include men of Somali, Egyptian, Jamaican, and Trinidadian origin. All are residents of Canada and “for the most part” all are Canadian citizens, police said."

"Hopefully some taboo topics will be opened. Like open borders. Immigration by Muslims etc., and not a second too late."

As Dan Riehl notes, there is a possible link between the Canadian arrests and two recently indicted jihadi suspects in Georgia. Blogged about them last month:

ACCUSED JIHADISTS IN GEORGIA
By Michelle Malkin   ·   April 20, 2006 11:00 PM

AJC reports (hat tip: Buzz Blog):

Could Islamic terrorists still be training operatives in the deep South?

Flashbacks...

Islamic Militant Training Camp Allegedly Operating in Alabama
Did Jihad arms course visit US?

For a good overview, I highly recommend Daniel Stoffman's "Who Gets In: What's wrong with Canada's immigration program - and how to fix it"--Canada's equivalent of Invasion.

A 21-year-old Georgia Tech student and another man traveled to Canada to meet with Islamic extremists to discuss "strategic locations in the United States suitable for a terrorist strike," according to an affidavit made public Friday. More here

An FBI agent's affidavit accused Sadequee and Ahmed, a 21-year-old Georgia Tech student, of meeting with at least three other targets of the FBI probe during a trip to Canada in March 2005. The men allegedly discussed attacks against oil refineries and military bases and planned to travel to Pakistan to get military training at a terrorist camp. More here

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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/06/massive_terror_.html

Massive Terror Attack? Connect the Dots

It appears that there is a global web of terror tied to this most recent bust of  17 Canadian Muslims and the "dirty bomb" bust in London. The weaponry found in these raids are WMD, weapons of mass destruction. Big time. Before these recent raids,there were at least 18 related arrests already taken place in Canada, the United States, Britain, Bosnia, Denmark, Sweden, and Bangladesh. Hat tip Pastorius and LGF;  Canadian National Post:   INTERNET CO-OPTED BY TERROR GROUPS 

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/06/canada_terror_b.html

Canada Terror Bust: Three tons ammonium nitrate

UPDATED: Massive terror attacks, globally: More here hat tip Norman...A group of [Muslims - the word the media dares not speak - Atlas]     Names of the 12 adults charged with terrorism-related offenses      Canadian residents inspired by al Qaeda and arrested for "terrorism related offenses" had amassed enough explosives to build huge bombs and were planning to blow up targets in Ontario, Canada's political and economic power center, police said on Saturday. More here 

UPDATE: Have you guys been reading CUANAS this past week. Pastorius nailed it, connected the proverbial dots...Clearly, something massive is in the works, spanning at least three major Western countries.

 

UPDATE: POLICE IN LONDON HUNTING CHEMICAL SUICIDE VEST:(hat tip Turn)

Man shot in dawn raid on suspected weapons factory Officers believe World Cup fans could be target of attack  

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=de3f8e90-982a-47af-8e5e-a1366fd5d6cc&k=46849

Alleged Canadian terror plot has worldwide links--

The six-month RCMP investigation, called Project OSage, is one of several overlapping probes that include an FBI case called Operation Northern Exposure and a British probe known as Operation Mazhar. “There is preliminary indication that some of the Canadian subjects may have had limited contact with the two people recently arrested from Georgia,” Special Agent Richard Kolko, the FBI spokesman, said in an e-mail to the National Post.

Canadian terror cell backgrounder (ctv background)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642895/posts?page=15#15

 
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007121.php
Canadians Used Internet Monitoring To Stop Terror Attack

The Canadian intelligence service monitored Internet communications to identify and track the homegrown jihadists rounded up in last night's raids, according to the Toronto Star. The investigation began two years ago when agents cracked passwords and gathered communications from the group:UPDATE: ThreatsWatch notes this development as well, and reminds Americans that the CSIS is not unlike the NSA. Comments (9)

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011652.php

Background on UK raids

This is why British officials carried out such a large-scale raid. "Nervous informant who gave details of new terrorist device," from the TimesOnline, with thanks to Sr. Soph: More on the chemical suicide vest they're looking for here.

There are some thoughts on chemical and biological weapons here:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5351&search=dunn

The writer suggests that these weapons may not be as effective as people fear-- Comments (27)

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007124.php

Broad Strata?

The politically-correct whitewash of the Canadian terror cell has already begun in earnest. The Globe & Mail reports that the RCMP has decided to emphasize the fact that the suspected terrorists came from a "broad strata" of Canadian society:...The majority sported the traditional Muslim male beard. [emphasis mine -- CE]

EUPHEMISM O' THE DAY: "BROAD STRATA"
By Michelle Malkin   ·   June 03, 2006 10:18 PM

Oh, dear Lord. A jihadist plot, possibly of global scale, possibly imminent, unravels in Canada...and what do law enforcement officials do? Try to whitewash the obvious jihadi profile from the public's mind.At the press briefing held by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police today, the suspects who appeared in court--all sporting traditional Muslim male beards and requesting Korans--were described as coming from a "broad strata" of society. (Hat tip: reader Ed)

Broad strata.

Yes, the same "broad strata" from which the 9/11 hijackers, 1993 World Trade Center bombers, USS Cole bombers, etc., etc., etc., came.

Allah looks at the "broad strata" of jihadi suspects netted in Toronto who are neither poor nor uneducated nor disenfranchised.

Canada's lax, terror-friendly immigration and asylum policies (and ours) will once again come under scrutiny. More info in Invasion and here; related column here and some blog posts of note. Another column from April 2003:


Thisught to be good for at least one evening of internet sleuthing:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004074.html

Toronto Terror Cell - Who Are Dirie and Mohamed?

Are they the same people?

Reader "Kelly Ann" gets extra marks for sharp eyes; CNN - August 13, 2005;  Ali Dirie, 22, and Yasin Mohamed, 23 -- both Canadians from the Toronto area -- face weapons-related charges and are in police custody in Niagara Falls, Ontario...Comments (26)  "Looks like the Toronto Star has done their homework. They've linked 'em." ttp://tinyurl.com/oeyng

"I have been watching CTV and CBC news and have to say I am bloody angry. Why can't these folks call it like it is?Not alleged, not ethno-neutral, just bloody terrorists would could have and would have killed a lot of people. Every network should carry the terrorists pictures and the pictures of these guys supporters. Stop beating around the bush and tell like it really is."

 

Thinking about potential targets
Steve Janke at 10:01 PM
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The authorities have been tight-lipped about the potential targets of the 17 terrorist suspects arrested in Toronto: The American affidavit provides suggests government and economic targets: With three tonnes of fertilizer, these guys could make a lot of smaller bombs. Comments (6)

http://www.instapundit.com/

ROGER SIMON: "I can't say I'm surprised it took eight paragraphs before the New York Times deigned to tell us what might be behind (have motivated) the arrest of 17 people in Ontario over the last couple of days. In fact it takes them six paragraphs before they even name any names. And of course they hasten first to make sure we know most of these men (not yet identified as Islamists) are "young people," shades of the French linguistic obsession with les jeunes, lest we might think them representative of a hostile ideology. This political bowdlerization is accomplished in paragraph four. Think for a moment how the Times would have constructed an article (has constructed many articles) about the malfeasance of US servicemen. They sure wouldn't bury the lede."

UPDATE: The sounds of silence.

ANOTHER UPDATE: More on the Canadian effort here.

And more on the post-bust spin here. There's also lots more over at Canadian newsblog Newsbeat1.

 Actually,..... http://www.andrewcoyne.com/

A lot of interesting information in Coyne's blog...

Canadian Jihad's Worldwide Links

The National Post says the Canadian terror arrests are linked to investigations in at least six other countries: Alleged Ontario terror plot has worldwide links. (Hat tip: Allahpundit.)   link: 158 comments

http://www.stevejanke.com/archives/179819.php
When the list comes out...
Steve Janke at 10:10 PM
Related articles: Technorati Cosmos :: CanConv :: Blogging Tories

When the list of targets is made public, and the scope of the death and destruction that might have been wrought sinks in, who thinks the issue of capital punishment in Canada might once again be breached?

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "WERE CANADIAN JIHADISTS TARGETING PICKERING NUCLEAR PLANT?" by Andrew Cochran (June 3, 2006)

INTELLIGENCE-SUMMIT.blogspot.com (CP): Ottawa - "RCMP COMMISSIONER SAYS ORGANIZED CRIME AND TERRORISTS WORKING CLOSELY" (May 10, 2006) (Read More...)
 
To: MHGinTN; backhoe; Cindy
Backoe if you would could you include in your links this link..

Abu Mus’ab al-Suri and the Third Generation of Salafi-Jihadists

Al- Suri talked of a Third Generation jihadists taking up the fight in this post 9/11 world...I think this is who inspired these Canadian jihadists...

Cindy this might be of interest to you and your group..

45 posted on 06/03/2006 7:59:50 PM EDT by Dog
 

Earlier Info:
 
A Canadian Jihad is apparently underway:
Toronto Terror Raids, Jihad Camps

Police in Toronto have arrested 12 adults and five teenagers, in possession of three tons of fertilizer intended to be used in an Islamic terror attack: Major terror bust in Toronto. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

And they were training at jihad camps in Ontario. link: 75 comments

 

Canadian Jihad

Never mind foreign terrorists, why is Canada growing its own extremists?  link: 56 comments

Canada's spy service admitted this week it couldn't track down many domestic terror suspects and warned the country faced an increasing threat from "home-grown terrorists" who had been assimilated into society.

Canadian Jihadis Named

Judeoscope.ca has the names of the 12 adults charged with terrorism-related offenses in Ontario.

Arrested and charged with offences under the Criminal Code of Canada are:

1. Fahim Ahmad, 21, of Robinstone Drive, Toronto, Ontario;
2. Zakaria Amara, 20, of Periwinkle Crescent, Mississauga, Ontario;
3. Asad Ansari, 21, of Rosehurst Drive, Mississauga, Ontario;
4. Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, of Lowville Heights, Mississauga, Ontario;
5. Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, of Montevideo Road, Mississauga, Ontario;
6. Mohammed Dirie, 22, Kingston, Ontario;
7. Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, Kingston, Ontario;
8. Jahmaal James, 23, of Trudelle Street, Toronto, Ontario;
9. Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19, of Stonehill Court, Toronto, Ontario;
10. Steven Vikash Chand alias Abdul Shakur, 25, of Treverton Drive, Toronto, Ontario;
11. Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21, of Robin Drive, Mississauga, Ontario;
12. Saad Khalid, 19, of Eclipse Avenue, Mississauga, Ontario.

| link: 92 comments

UK Searching for Chemical Suicide Bomb

British police are frantically searching for a “chemical” suicide bomb vest. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)  link: 47 comments

 
Canada charges 17 in plot to blow up buildings
Possibly related: "this really makes that CUPE statement look even more ridiculous now. After all, these terrorists most likely applauded and supported the CUPE move, and probably even felt emboldened by it. "
CUPE errs on Israel
 
Canada terror suspects may have had US contacts --Syed Haris Ahmed, 21, of Atlanta, Georgia, Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, 19...Sadequee and Ahmed traveled to Canada on March 13, 2005, to meet with Islamic extremists, according to a U.S. Justice Department statement.
 
Muslim names of Canadian terror suspects buried in media reports
 
Major terror bust in Toronto
RCMP says terror suspects had 3 tonnes of explosive, 12 men arrested  Good coverage of it here:
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/
 
 Of the seventeen, 12 have been publicly identified, while five are apparently underage. The identified suspects are:  ( uh, Muslims... ) read link:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007119.php

Europe faces a similar situation, and now the question will be whether the US has something brewing in its mosques as well. We have already uncovered the Lodi mosque and the father-son jihadi team there. Canada has similar cultural flexibility as the US; to think that this could metastasize there but not here would be foolish indeed.

Keep an eye on Stephen Taylor's blog for further updates, and I'm certain Steve Janke will also be all over this.

UPDATE: As will Kate at Small Dead Animals. Confederate Yankee wonders whether a 'domestic spying" effort helped root these terrorists out.

Toronto Tim Horton's explosion
Contrary to the official explanation, there is a strong indication that the explosive substance TATP (triacetone triperoxide), also known as the Mother of Satan and a homemade and very unstable explosive was used in this blast. This is the same substance used by "the despondent" Joel Henry Hinnrichs outside of the Oklahoma University stadium on October 1, 2005 - a blast that was ruled as a "suicide" and unrelated to terrorism.
 
If people don't think we have illegal crossings from Canada as well, they are SORELY mistaken. And thus far, that border has been the choice of the ROP.

FBI's Mueller: Hezbollah Busted in Mexican Smuggling Operation

During the Q&A with reporters, Myrick gave as a reason for proposing the bill the recent capture of three al Qaeda terrorists at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Illegals from terrorist nations are crossing the border into Arizona.



TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedacanada; canada; globaljihad; gwot; jihad; muslim; rop; toronto; torontocell; trop; wot
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To: backhoe
Good Work! There's more information here than in most books. BTW, given this quote: "Those arrested are "Muslims, but not Arabs." It's nice to see the mainstream media actually making this elementary distinction, which might begin to dispel the calumny that the anti-jihad resistance is "racism."

The MSM will have to invent a new word - religism, to add to racism, sexism, homophobes..... to describe the hate filled thoughts of the right.

21 posted on 06/04/2006 5:05:22 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: backhoe; The Drowning Witch
Canadian Arrests Linked To Arrests In Atlanta

It's now coming out that the recent arrests in Canada are directly linked to previous arrests of two college students in Atlanta, GA - first reported in April. Syed Ahmed and Ehsanul Sadequee were arrested in April for conspiring with others under investigation. Possible American targets, including oil refineries were mentioned at that time. At the time their parents protested their arrests, suggesting it was because they were Muslims. They had traveled to the Middle East for religious education.

From Canada today:

The Canadian investigation involves a complicated web of connections, with alleged ties to two men from Georgia who came to Toronto in March 2005 to meet with "like-minded Islamic extremists," according to U.S. court documents.

Syed Ahmed is a 21-year-old Georgia Tech student, and Ehsanul Sadequee is a 19-year-old from Roswell who was arrested in Bangladesh where his family claims he went to get married. Both men are U.S. citizens. The two knew each other through interaction in Atlanta's growing Muslim community.

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"Other states that have very little problems got an increase, Georgia got a 40 percent increase. Somehow this administration thinks that Georgia peanut farmers are more at risk than the Empire State Building. Something is dramatically wrong."

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"Chucky ..... Would you PLEASE check some facts before making asinine statements like that? You're making us seem elite."

22 posted on 06/04/2006 5:15:18 AM PDT by Jackknife ( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
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To: SE Mom

I appreciate your looking.


23 posted on 06/04/2006 5:15:21 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Jackknife

Many thanks- so far a search in local ( GA ) newsites has only repeated what's already posted, but if I find more, I'll put it here.


24 posted on 06/04/2006 5:17:05 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: norwaypinesavage

Thanks for looking.


25 posted on 06/04/2006 5:18:48 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: All
This just in:

Three tonnes of fertilizer seized in raid
 
Long discussion ( and links ) here:
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=60814
 
 

26 posted on 06/04/2006 5:19:37 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

I live in Marietta, 15 mi. north of Atlanta. This has been an active topic here since the Tech students were caught. People must also remeber that some of the 9-11 hijackers trained for a time at an airport here in the metro area.


27 posted on 06/04/2006 5:20:53 AM PDT by Jackknife ( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
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To: backhoe

Thanks for the compilation of news links and info!!!!!!!!


28 posted on 06/04/2006 5:24:49 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: Jackknife
I live in Marietta, 15 mi. north of Atlanta. This has been an active topic here since the Tech students were caught. People must also remember that some of the 9-11 hijackers trained for a time at an airport here in the metro area.

Ah, "Murreta!" Fondly remembered from days at SIONICS, years & years ago.

Yes, I recall those incidents- keep your head down!

29 posted on 06/04/2006 5:28:54 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: DoctorMichael

Thanks for looking, and the kind words.


30 posted on 06/04/2006 5:29:21 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
.... keep your head down!

Well, Dobbins AFB and NAS Atlanta are less than five mi. from my place, and I hear the 'sound of diplomacy' flying overhead all the time ..... so I'm not too worried up here! ;-)

31 posted on 06/04/2006 5:37:19 AM PDT by Jackknife ( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
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To: backhoe

Great job 'hoe

Your work is incredible, you have set a
pretty high bar for yourself. Thanks again

TPD


32 posted on 06/04/2006 5:40:50 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()....no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself...... ()
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To: Jackknife
Dobbins AFB and NAS Atlanta are less than five mi. from my place, and I hear the 'sound of diplomacy' flying overhead all the time ..... so I'm not too worried up here! ;-)

Peace...
...through superior firepower...

33 posted on 06/04/2006 5:41:41 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Good work.

I missed several of these links.

Thanks.


34 posted on 06/04/2006 5:44:52 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: backhoe

I was busy (with a music-gig) when this story hit, so this is all new-news to me. This was an excellent way of catching up.


35 posted on 06/04/2006 5:46:02 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: bitt

Terror Strike Toronto Aborted!


LIFE...IS...GOOD.


36 posted on 06/04/2006 5:52:14 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thanks for stopping by.


37 posted on 06/04/2006 5:55:21 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Jackknife

AH Chuck, thank you for always being so consistant.


38 posted on 06/04/2006 5:58:21 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: DoctorMichael
I was busy (with a music-gig) when this story hit, so this is all new-news to me. This was an excellent way of catching up.

Thank you.

My wife ( former First Flute, Principle Chair in the Jax Symphony ) was sequestered in a conference until about 1 PM yesterday, and was quite astounded- "Canada? What the xxx have they done?"

39 posted on 06/04/2006 5:58:23 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Good work. I am just wondering if the Tim Horton's bombing a few weeks ago is connected in any way with this group. As I recall, the name of that perp was never released.


40 posted on 06/04/2006 5:59:58 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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