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Kerry Pressing Swift Boat Case Long After Loss
New York TImes ^ | May 28, 2006 | Kate Zernike

Posted on 05/28/2006 6:37:54 AM PDT by namvet66

John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia." Graphic: Kerry's New Evidence He moves on to the photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam; the harbor; the mountains fading frame by frame as the boat heads north; the special operations team the boat was ferrying across the border; the men reading maps and setting off flares. "They gave me a hat," Mr. Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it from his briefcase. "I have the hat." Three decades after the Vietnam War and nearly two years after Mr. Kerry's failed presidential bid, most Americans have probably forgotten why it ever mattered whether he went to Cambodia or that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth accused him of making it all up, saying he was dishonest and lacked patriotism. But among those who were on the front lines of the 2004 campaign, the battle over Mr. Kerry's wartime service continues, out of the limelight but in some ways more heatedly — because unlike then, Mr. Kerry has fully engaged in the fight. Only those on Mr. Kerry's side, however, have gathered new evidence to support their case.

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BRING IT ON

Well The "Snake" is back--with a vengeance, it would appear and how "sweet it is."

Many of us Nam Vets (in addition to our SwiftBoat Band of Brothers--the "real" ones) worked dilligently to help expose this phony, fraud, traitor and we would like nothing more than to put (figuratively speaking, of course) a stake through his (the VVAW and all of his/their comrades') hearts, once and for all. This may be our chance.

Of interest, is this author's remark: "Mr. Kerry has signed forms authorizing the Navy to release his record — something he resisted during the campaign — and hired a researcher to comb the naval archives in Washington for records that could pinpoint his whereabouts during dates of the incidents in dispute."

Same-o, Same-o.

Of course he's "signed it." Question is, had he "submitted it?" Or is his complete record floating around out there and I just have somehow, missed it?

1 posted on 05/28/2006 6:37:55 AM PDT by namvet66
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To: namvet66

2 years and how much of tah-ray-sa's money to finally find some of their own "facts"?

Even the Washington Post proved that he ran under fire, and only rescued his own guy, the one that he had dumped when Kerry squirted his drawers and fled the fight.


2 posted on 05/28/2006 6:47:26 AM PDT by digger48
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To: namvet66
John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia

Kerry starts off with a lie. He always has claimed that he went to Cambodia on Christmas 1968, an event that was "seared, seared" into his memory. Also, wasn't Schachte Kerry's commanding officer, it appears for this article he was just another crewmember. Just more NYT bias at work.

3 posted on 05/28/2006 6:47:28 AM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: namvet66

Hey Kerry...put the damn form out for all to see, you louse coward.


4 posted on 05/28/2006 6:48:33 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: namvet66

did he ever sign the release form?


5 posted on 05/28/2006 6:48:40 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: sure_fine

Boston Globe has it under armed guard.


6 posted on 05/28/2006 6:50:11 AM PDT by digger48
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To: namvet66; All
Fox and Friends Sunday co-host Julian was defending Kerry this morning saying that Kerry was awarded all those medals and the Swift Boat Vets must be wrong.

I'm a huge, huge fan of Fox and Friends but Julian is an absolute condescending, narcissistic moron. I truly wish they would get rid of him!
7 posted on 05/28/2006 6:51:21 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: namvet66

There is no evidence that any naval craft were used after the early 60s to infiltrate into either Cambodia or Laos. All cross border operations during the time Kerry was in Vietnam were under the authority of MACV SOG. In the case of where Kerry was operating, it would have been an organization known as Command and Control South (CCS) based out of Ban Me Thout. H-34 helicopters were the primary vehicle used for insertions. Occasionally Hueys would be used.

The orders would have to have come through Kerry's chain of command, especially since the Army ran the cross border operations, and a request for support would have had to go from the CO CCS through MACVSOG to IV Corps and ultimately to the Navy commander in the area.

All cross border operations during that time required a top secret security clearance, and all insertion vehicles, weapons and soldiers had all identification removed. Weapons even had serial numbers removed. This was to ensure deniability.

Keyy watched Apocolypse Now one too many times....


8 posted on 05/28/2006 6:52:01 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: namvet66

Mr Kerry protests too much...


9 posted on 05/28/2006 6:53:42 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: namvet66

Kerry was in Viet Nam?

Who knew?


10 posted on 05/28/2006 6:54:53 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ThreeYearLurker

The more terrifying thing is that I'm starting to believe that he actually believes it.
And this Liberal lunatic was actually in the race.
Vote R.


11 posted on 05/28/2006 7:00:10 AM PDT by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: namvet66
Mr. Kerry has signed forms authorizing the Navy to release his record

My understanding is that he did in fact authorize the release of his records, but consistent with the slim that drips from this man, he released them only to a third party who in turn has released only selected portions to the public. He is unwilling to reveal the truth about his brief military service.

12 posted on 05/28/2006 7:00:31 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: namvet66

http://www.liveshot.cc/


13 posted on 05/28/2006 7:00:37 AM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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To: namvet66

also posted at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1639360/posts


Hey, Skerry! we have long memories and lots of hard dive space...


14 posted on 05/28/2006 7:02:19 AM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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To: namvet66

It is in the office next to Rep Jefferson safe from the Justice Department and citizens


15 posted on 05/28/2006 7:07:59 AM PDT by colonialhk (sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: bitt

Imagine if George Bush had been caught saying THIS on the campaign trail about HIS adversary...


http://www.liveshot.cc/Audio/Most%20Crooked%20Lying%20Group.mp3


16 posted on 05/28/2006 7:12:32 AM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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To: namvet66

His 1970 Paris trip needs to be hammered. Meeting with the leaders of the people you are at war with, and without authorization, should have sent him to prison..


17 posted on 05/28/2006 7:13:43 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mcarthy in 2008!)
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To: namvet66
They gave me a hat," Mr. Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it from his briefcase. "I have the hat."

Hey, Kerry, can you pull your signed 180 out of that hat and show it to all of us?

18 posted on 05/28/2006 7:15:31 AM PDT by DejaJude (Admiral Clark said, "Our mantra today is life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it!")
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To: digger48; namvet66
namvet66:
"did he ever sign the release form?"


Boston Globe has it under armed guard.

The records are in a Gore-approved Dingle-Norwood Lockbox.

Seriously now...

Forget about what Kerry did or did not do in Vietnam.

Let's just consider what he did AFTER he returned to America:

a.) Lied under oath, committing perjury before the United States Senate with false claims of widespread war crimes and atrocities by U.S. troops.

b.) Joined a subversive organization (Vietnam Veterans Against the War) which acted as a Communist fifth column on U.S. soil, giving aid and support to the very enemies America was fighting in Vietnam.

c.) Scott Camil, a member of that same organization (VVAW), proposed what was called the "Phoenix Project", which involved the actual assassination of pro-Vietnam War effort United States Senators, Kerry did nothing to notify authorities of the conspiracy, and in fact Kerry's 2004 campaign in Florida HIRED Scott Camil to work for the election of Kerry.

d.) Kerry, while still a United States Naval Officer, violated U.S. Law by traveling to Paris where he engaged in private negotiations with the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong, undermining officially sanctioned negotiations currently underway by U.S. diplomats.

e.) Kerry received a less than honorable discharge from the military which was only upgraded to honorable during the abominable Carter Administration, and THAT is why Kerry has (and will) resist until his dying day the complete and total release of ALL of his military service records.

Does Kerry dispute "e." above?

Let the sumb!tch "bring it on", RELEASE the damn records, and prove I'm wrong.

He WON'T. Because he CAN'T.

John F'in Kerry is a traitor to the United States, to his fellow servicemen who he falsely accused, and is utterly without any honor whatsoever.
19 posted on 05/28/2006 7:17:12 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: proudofthesouth

They need someone the IQ 50 and below crowd can relate to.

LLS


20 posted on 05/28/2006 7:18:16 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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