Posted on 05/24/2006 5:48:41 AM PDT by SJackson
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"Israel endured the equivalent of 9/11 every month for four years during the intifada that began in 2000. "
3000+ Israelis / month were dying for 4 straight years? That's some 36,000 civilians/year * 4 years or over 144,000 Israeli civilians dying in terror attacks?
Not questioning the message of this post - just the stats from the above quote.
Israel certainly deals with terror attacks better than most countries, in terms of not hitting the panic button and continuing to live as normally as possible.
re :Now, in a frenzy of anti-racist guilt, newer generations of Europeans practice "multicultural" tolerance toward their separatist and violence-prone Muslim citizens. They do so for many reasons – but partly in order to both deny and continue the Holocaust against the Jews.
Whether you agree with not with multiculturalism, and although it was tried with the best intension it has failed, and European states are moving towards assimilation, it has nothing to do with Holocaust denial.
Most Muslims living in Countries such as the Netherlands, France and my country the UK are former citizens of what were once colonies of those nations.
Britain also has a black population mainly from the West Indies is that to do with Holocaust denial as well.
And Anti Semite's is alive and well in America as well, you only have to look up some white supremest web sites to see that.
There are some organizations in America who believe in the ZOG (Zoinest Occupation Government) and holocaust denial is a big industry in America.
"I think if you put it into percentages - 3000 people killed in the US is about equal to 10 people killed in Israel due to the population differences (300 million vs 9 million)"
Well, that makes sense...author should've said something about a 'percentage comparison'. Sorry - 9/11 comparisons is a touchy subject!
"And Anti Semite's is alive and well in America as well, you only have to look up some white supremest web sites to see that."
Why the KKK still is allowed to exist in America is beyond me.
He is missing a whole lot of the background which helped to cause the Holocaust.
Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) and many prominent "intellectuals", business leaders, and politicians in the early 20th century were promoting ideas of eugenics -- the science of keeping the gene pool pure by eliminating or sterilizing those whom they saw as unfit. It was all the rage in academia and Teddy Roosevelt, Rockefeller, etc., were caught up in the same bandwagon. Some of the ideas they promoted are nothing less than startling to us today.
Eugenics was an accepted notion of the early 20th century and hardly anyone saw anything wrong with it. Germany took it to new levels in the 30's under Hitler when they developed the gas chambers and sterilization programs for those who they thought didn't belong in their society -- homosexuals, mentally ill people, people of limited intelligence, people with certain physical handicaps. Thus when the Jews were demonized more specifically by Hitler it was a natural extension to create more ovens and more ways of exterminating these "unfit" people.
Hitler killed 6 million Jews but he also killed another 4 million Poles and other Eastern Eurpoeans under his own version of eugenics.
Thank God this foundation of aggressively helping nature in assuring the Survival of the Fittest doesn't exist in any developed society anymore, so that precludes a Holocaust like the Hitler version. It still exists in the Middle East, though, in that the Muslims want to exterminate the Jews.
That Holocaust denial is a crime is asking for backlash.
Let the idiots vent. Free speech is too important to sacrifice. Their rantings present an opportunity to keep the truth fresh in the public mind.
The de facto anti-semitism in the european leftist establishment is seemingly solely funded on the israeli "occupation" of Palestine. When that "fact" is established I often experience traditional anti-semitic slogans when I discuss the subject with my leftist conterparts at my university i Norway (they control the media, the IMF, they lobby washington etc). This if often followed by a seamless chain of arguments into traditional anti-americanism. Point for point, it's easy to argue against such matters, but what is alarming is that it is no longer politically correct to show one's support of israel. Anti-israelism has now become almost a religion for many in Europe, and the link to the feeling of guilt in relation to the muslims is obvious. People look strange at you and wonders what your motives are: Is he a christian fundamentalist? Is he crazy? Maybe a secret jew? This is the opinion of the majority of the leftists, not only the hard-core socialists, but the voters that mainly focus their opinions on matters like family and welfare, more immigration, globalisation and foreign aid (the "soft-core" leftists). To support Israel in Norway today, that is to outspokingly symphatize with their militaristic policy of selfdefense, is unheard of and considered to be mentaly unhealty to say it at least. Boycotts are often suggested by the leftist political parties and the labour-movement is more and more outspoken on the need to punish Israel for its politics. The only thing that seems to be holding back government action in this direction is the conservatives and the fear in the Labour Party to cause an international scandal (i.e provoke the wrath of the USA, Norway's most important ally). Believe me, there is no mercy for Israel amongst the nordic socialists.
Add Calypso Louie's crew to that as well.
Like breaking the taboo against mass killing by the Bolsheviks who caused death of countless millions of Russians, Ukrainians and others before WWII.
I'm becoming more convinced each day that I'm watching this pattern redevelop with Iran and Ahmadinejad as he beats his religious apocalyptic war drums against Israel. If we allow him to acquire nuclear weapons, history will condemn us all for our amazing imbecility in allowing history to repeat itself. Pacificity and appeasement will once again be the death of many, if allowed to continue.
You're right on both points, though in my view "tolerance" does play a role in cultural failures to address evil, not at all limited to antisemitism.
She's relating casualties to population rather than dealing in absolute numbers. It's a valid point relative to the disruption of commerce and society. Terrorism impacts every Israeli directly. The ongoing nature of the attacks, as opposed to a single incident which has left most American's psyche, it as significant.
" This has marked me as a "traitor" in the eyes of a great many leftist academics"
If the traitorous left sees you as a traitor to their cause, then that puts you in the company of Moses, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, John F. Kennedy, St. Paul, Martin Luther, Abraham of Ur, Corrie Ten Boom, Teddy Roosevelt, Golda Meier and Oliver North, to name just a very few.
Not bad. You should feel honored.
So are you. There was the sordid history of the Spartakusbund in Berlin, converting it into a squalid hell-hole of debauchery, strikes, and rioting.
The question today is not democracy or dictatorship. The question that history has put on the agenda reads: bourgeois democracy or socialist democracy. For the dictatorship of the proletariat does not mean bombs, putsches, coups, riots, and anarchy, as the agents of capitalist profits deliberately and falsely claim. Rather, it means using all instruments of political power to achieve socialism, to expropriate the capitalist class, through and in accordance with the will of the revolutionary majority of the proletariat.
They were communists. Several of their leaders (notably Rosa Luxemburg) were of Jewish ethnicity (as was also true of the Russian revolution). The mass extermination of the middle class after the revolution in Russia and the attempted revolution in Berlin scared the Germans so badly that they fell into Hitler's arms.
" So are you. "
No, you just aren't going back far enough.
The intelligentsia of the late 19th and early 20th century took the idea of Survival of the Fittest (no, this is not a discussion of Darwin) and embraced it. They saw nothing wrong with the idea of helping to weed out the weak among society.
Then the socialists, communists, and fascists pounced on that idea and took it to another level, justifying mass killing and genocide.
But the truth still stands that even people in this country had no real problem with the concept of getting rid of the weak and unfit in society. This allowed them to turn a blind eye toward what was happening in many parts of the world. Teddy Roosevelt, certainly no communist, said, "Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind." George Bernard Shaw believed that only eugenics could save mankind. Margaret Sanger started Planned Parenthood based on the concept of eugenics, abortion rights for convenience was a later addition for PP. All of these ideas were firmly in place before the pogroms and exterminations of the 20th century.
Of course Germans fell into Hitler's arms, but one of the reasons they did so was because of his views on the "Master Race", an extension of eugenics theories.
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