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1 posted on 05/24/2006 5:48:42 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 05/24/2006 5:50:25 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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"How does a Holocaust happen? You tell the demonized scapegoats that they are imagining and exaggerating their victimization. You demand that the scapegoats apologize, bow and scrape a bit more. And then you commit the unthinkable: You wipe out a large number of civilians, either in Israel, Europe or America.

Iran's President Ahmadinejad has threatened to annihilate Israel by nuclear means. He has said: "The Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. It will be eliminated by one storm. Believe that Palestine will be freed soon." I take him seriously. He must be stopped. Who will do it? And when?"

This statement points out the tendency of the left to create victims of the Islamofacists. The left is portraying the US and Israel as victimization of Muslims and Palestinians by our fighting back. The US and Israel are seen by the left as CAUSING the terrorism problem by exercising self-defense. HOW ABSURD.

The left is not concerned at all about Ahmadinejad. They will be the first to blame the US and Israel for causing terrorism if a preemptive strike on Iran is taken.

I see repetition of Munich in 1938 combined with elements of antisemitism. I cannot understand this thinking, but I will fight against it.
3 posted on 05/24/2006 5:57:39 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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"Israel endured the equivalent of 9/11 every month for four years during the intifada that began in 2000. "


3000+ Israelis / month were dying for 4 straight years? That's some 36,000 civilians/year * 4 years or over 144,000 Israeli civilians dying in terror attacks?

Not questioning the message of this post - just the stats from the above quote.

Israel certainly deals with terror attacks better than most countries, in terms of not hitting the panic button and continuing to live as normally as possible.


4 posted on 05/24/2006 5:59:27 AM PDT by Blzbba (Beauty is just a light switch away...)
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There was a lot I agree with but as usual with left or right political commentary the political analyst trys to tie two many strings together:

re :Now, in a frenzy of anti-racist guilt, newer generations of Europeans practice "multicultural" tolerance toward their separatist and violence-prone Muslim citizens. They do so for many reasons – but partly in order to both deny and continue the Holocaust against the Jews.

Whether you agree with not with multiculturalism, and although it was tried with the best intension it has failed, and European states are moving towards assimilation, it has nothing to do with Holocaust denial.

Most Muslims living in Countries such as the Netherlands, France and my country the UK are former citizens of what were once colonies of those nations.

Britain also has a black population mainly from the West Indies is that to do with Holocaust denial as well.

And Anti Semite's is alive and well in America as well, you only have to look up some white supremest web sites to see that.

There are some organizations in America who believe in the ZOG (Zoinest Occupation Government) and holocaust denial is a big industry in America.

6 posted on 05/24/2006 6:05:06 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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He is missing a whole lot of the background which helped to cause the Holocaust.

Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) and many prominent "intellectuals", business leaders, and politicians in the early 20th century were promoting ideas of eugenics -- the science of keeping the gene pool pure by eliminating or sterilizing those whom they saw as unfit. It was all the rage in academia and Teddy Roosevelt, Rockefeller, etc., were caught up in the same bandwagon. Some of the ideas they promoted are nothing less than startling to us today.

Eugenics was an accepted notion of the early 20th century and hardly anyone saw anything wrong with it. Germany took it to new levels in the 30's under Hitler when they developed the gas chambers and sterilization programs for those who they thought didn't belong in their society -- homosexuals, mentally ill people, people of limited intelligence, people with certain physical handicaps. Thus when the Jews were demonized more specifically by Hitler it was a natural extension to create more ovens and more ways of exterminating these "unfit" people.

Hitler killed 6 million Jews but he also killed another 4 million Poles and other Eastern Eurpoeans under his own version of eugenics.

Thank God this foundation of aggressively helping nature in assuring the Survival of the Fittest doesn't exist in any developed society anymore, so that precludes a Holocaust like the Hitler version. It still exists in the Middle East, though, in that the Muslims want to exterminate the Jews.


9 posted on 05/24/2006 6:25:01 AM PDT by webstersII
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Despite Austria's recent (and problematic) jailing of David Irving for the crime of Holocaust denial, Islamists and not a few Western thinkers continue to insist that the Holocaust never happened or has been wildly exaggerated.

That Holocaust denial is a crime is asking for backlash.

Let the idiots vent. Free speech is too important to sacrifice. Their rantings present an opportunity to keep the truth fresh in the public mind.

10 posted on 05/24/2006 6:45:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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So this is what it was like for my parents in the 1930's to watch as Hitler came into the level of power necessary to murder six million Jews, and countless others. I often wondered what it must have been like for mom and dad (and what they were thinking of it all) during those times back then. Now I feel like I'm reliving their nightmare.

I'm becoming more convinced each day that I'm watching this pattern redevelop with Iran and Ahmadinejad as he beats his religious apocalyptic war drums against Israel. If we allow him to acquire nuclear weapons, history will condemn us all for our amazing imbecility in allowing history to repeat itself. Pacificity and appeasement will once again be the death of many, if allowed to continue.

14 posted on 05/24/2006 7:01:54 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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" This has marked me as a "traitor" in the eyes of a great many leftist academics"

If the traitorous left sees you as a traitor to their cause, then that puts you in the company of Moses, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, John F. Kennedy, St. Paul, Martin Luther, Abraham of Ur, Corrie Ten Boom, Teddy Roosevelt, Golda Meier and Oliver North, to name just a very few.

Not bad. You should feel honored.


17 posted on 05/24/2006 7:07:48 AM PDT by RoadTest (For the love of money is the root of all evil - I Timothy 6:10)
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"Remembering the truth about Jewish history is a sacred obligation. Hence, it is a victory for both Jewish and enlightened Western truth-telling values that we commemorate the Holocaust. Doing so is also an act of defiance and moral clarity – especially at a time when the phenomenon of Holocaust denial is growing."


18 posted on 05/24/2006 7:11:35 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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The important thing is that there are no nations carrying out genocide today. Except for those that are.


30 posted on 05/24/2006 3:04:53 PM PDT by Wolfie
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