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2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
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| May 23 2006
| jveritas
Posted on 05/23/2006 7:13:05 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: SittinYonder
"Are there military applications for this stuff that doesn't involve weaponry?"Vehicle, or other hardware parts. I see some kind of plating here, where the cyanide is used to produce a certain morphology and stress in the layer. The factory's purpose, or product output needs to be clarified. The acid qtys here and other chem qtys look like metal finishing.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:18:21 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: jveritas
"Take it easy fellow freeper and do not get angry. I am not saying that I am the smartest person and I am far from it. I just asked you a question, and I may have misunderstood what you said. Relax!"
Your doing your part. Your taking time that you could give to your family, or to yourself to be doing other things.
Regardless of the final analysis on what you come up with via. your translations, you are helping build a english translation database.
You should be proud of your service. For those that are to darn stubborn to understand what you are attempting to do, I would only say give the guy a break. You are a volunter, no one is paying you for this service.
Semper Fi again, Joe. George. PS. Got a new job, and I am not on FR anywhere as much as before. So don't feel obligated to respond. The problem as you and others are aware is chemicals such as mentioned do have many uses in various industrial processes etc..
So it is tough to find a smokeing gun, so to speak.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:18:30 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: jveritas
I doubt if he was. Probably prefers K-1 and Scotts Turf Builder.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:18:46 PM PDT
by
Westlander
(Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
To: jveritas
The incompetence is shocking. Never underestimate the incompetence of the UN, my FRiend!
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:21:04 PM PDT
by
Just A Nobody
(NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
To: Marine_Uncle
Thank you for the kind words :)
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:21:31 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: Justanobody
I am glad that I am back :)
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:22:18 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: eyespysomething
500kg looks like an exact number for the zinc baths you've given in your post. They are specialized baths for a certain morphology and stress in the plated layer. This is too small a qty for chem weapons. It's very inefficient and if the attempt was made for binary weapons, all it would amount to is flinging acid.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:23:14 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: jveritas
"Thank you for the kind words :)"
Thanks for your service.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:25:08 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: spunkets
One thing I know for certain from all my years in Chemistry, is that just about anything can be misused. You can walk into a pharmaceutical lab and make a bomb. Without too much effort I might add. It all depends on your intent.
So what do we think they were trying to do? Put a zinc coating on some metal parts, or produce some cylinders of cyanide for Al Qaeda?
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:29:47 PM PDT
by
MAexile
(Bats left, votes right)
To: MAexile
I think they were plating. If they were making gas, there are far better choices. Also, the qty is wrong, especially given the other items.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:36:06 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: jveritas
Jveritas -- doing the research American journalists don't want to do.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:36:11 PM PDT
by
Theo
To: spunkets; eyespysomething; jveritas
I tried to google the factory and got several possibilities besides the spelling provided by jveritas: Zu al Fikar; Zu al Fikr; Du al Fikar; and Dhu al Fikar would be alternatives. I'm still at work and can't take the time to really find something.
However, according to Global Security.org, the Rashid State Company's Dhu-al-Fikar factory (assuming it's the same one) was investigated for the presence of high strength aluminum tubes. Then it says this:
"Approximately 70,000 high-strength aluminum 81-mm tubes are located in two padlocked ware- houses (see pictures) at Dhu al-Fiqar Factory, which is within a secure facility protected by armed Facility Protection Service personnel. According to a current NMD offi cial, Dhu al-Fiqar Factory employees were cutting the tubes into pieces for use in the private sector."
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:38:11 PM PDT
by
SittinYonder
(Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
To: SittinYonder; jveritas; eyespysomething; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; Captain Ed
The Quantity is rather high for use in Lab experimentation....I would think...
What was the chemical in the drums that we kept finding as we were rolling into Baghdad...?
To: airedale
By the same token, the cyanide radical complexes with the heavy metals and is often used in electroplating of the metal, particularly gold. It is (or was) common in printed-circuit manufacturing processes.
To: SittinYonder; spunkets
Would they have to plate the tubes to use for a missile, or for uranium enrichment?
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:40:52 PM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Hellen Keller's favorite color is Chuck Norris.)
To: spunkets
I think I need to sleep on this. I do my best thinking when I'm asleep.
In fact I might ask some other Chemists what they think tomorrow. Someone might come up with something else.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:44:59 PM PDT
by
MAexile
(Bats left, votes right)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The Quantity is rather high for use in Lab experimentation....I would think..."A factory isn't a lab op. The plating tanks are 2K gals and up.
" What was the chemical in the drums that we kept finding as we were rolling into Baghdad...?"
All I remember is pesticide for sand fleas. DOD determined that's what it was for.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:45:24 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: SittinYonder
That is the same company.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:45:47 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: jveritas
Ramzi Yousef used sodium cyanide in the WTC bombing, it was supposed to create a cyanide cloud big enough to kill 20 to 40,000 New Yorkers.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:47:06 PM PDT
by
usmcobra
(Marines out of uniform might as well be nude, since they can no longer be recognized as Marines.)
To: eyespysomething
"Would they have to plate the tubes to use for a missile, or for uranium enrichment?"No. This is for corroison protection purposes, or maybe bearing surfaces if it's not a zinc bath.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:48:56 PM PDT
by
spunkets
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