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2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
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| May 23 2006
| jveritas
Posted on 05/23/2006 7:13:05 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: jveritas
Acording to the Wikpedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyanide
Sodium cyanide is used to extract gold and other precious metals from ore, and so metal mining operations consume most of the sodium cyanide production;
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posted on
05/23/2006 7:51:35 PM PDT
by
airedale
( XZ)
To: SittinYonder; jveritas
Statement about Iraq and chemicals and dual uses and sanctions:
Iraq elected to develop a local capacity for thiodiglycol production using ethylene oxide and hydrogen sulfide obtained from its petroleum industry. By the end of the Iran-Iraq war, they had the capability to produce mustard gas without the need to use outside suppliers for precursors (although they still bought hydrochloric acid abroad because they could do so relatively cheaply and - by claiming a different use - easily). They were thus effectively immune to the opinions - and the sanctions produced by those opinions - of the international community.
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posted on
05/23/2006 7:52:44 PM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Hellen Keller's favorite color is Chuck Norris.)
To: SittinYonder
Hylite Zinc might be a zinc plating agent.
See:
http://www.osmose.com.au/hylite711.html
And:
http://www.metalquip.co.za/products_3.htm
As I recall this process involves cyanide. I also think you change the color of what you are plating be adding a "dye". It could be as simple as that.
On the other hand if I wanted to make Zyklon B and didn't want anyone to know what I was doing, I might just add those things to the list to provide "plausible deniability".
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posted on
05/23/2006 7:54:01 PM PDT
by
MAexile
(Bats left, votes right)
To: airedale
By itself NaCN is used for gold mining alhough there is not such a thing in Iraq, i.e. gold mining. NaCN with HCL or H2SO4 will produce the Chemical Weapon HCN or Zyklon B.
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posted on
05/23/2006 7:54:19 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: MJY1288
What does this have to do with Immigration?? /sarcasm OFF Great post -
To: Born to Conserve
Calm your silly as$ down -
To: eyespysomething
* Reports have indicated that during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, hydrogen cyanide gas may have been used along with other chemical agents against the inhabitants of the Kurdish city of Halabja in northern Iraq.
Do you have a link where you obtained this information? This is interesting that Iraq has a history of using hydrogen cyanide specifically.
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posted on
05/23/2006 7:59:34 PM PDT
by
SittinYonder
(Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
To: jveritas
The qty looks way too small. This qty is what I would expect for the supply of a production plating bath... silver, gold... Depends on the function of the factory though. This could be for some other chem production. If they were using this as a chem weapon, they would have bought much more, or produced it themselves.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:00:08 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: MAexile
Thanks. This is fast getting beyond my 10th grade chemistry class, so I appreciate the context.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:00:31 PM PDT
by
SittinYonder
(Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
To: MAexile
Please remember that the Iraqis created the biggest scheme of deception to fool the UN. After reading thousands of pages in these documents I can safely conclude that this joke they called the "Iraqi National Monitoring Agency" was created to overwhelm the UN with documents and papers showing how good and sincere the Iraqi are in "self monitoring" any material or activity related to WMD where on the other hand they were still active in many WMD programs. I just cannot believe how did the UN considered NaCN as a dual use material and allowed the Iraqi to import it where it can easily produce HCN when mixed with acids. The incompetence is shocking.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:01:20 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: spunkets
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:03:14 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Hate can never win elections.)
To: MAexile; spunkets; eyespysomething; jveritas
While I've got no idea about what the chemicals could or could not be used for separately or in combination, I'm just curious about this being an order for a military factory. Are there military applications for this stuff that doesn't involve weaponry?
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:03:36 PM PDT
by
SittinYonder
(Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
To: SittinYonder
Hylite Bright Zinc Process is used for Cyanide zinc plating per: http://www.metalquip.co.za/products_3.htm
Zinc Cyanide is a plating grade per the same web site.
From another website:
http://www.vulcanium.com/plating/technical_data_detailed.asp?id=217
Cyanide Zinc
Cyanide zinc baths are used for steel and leaded steel substrates. The plating bath consists of zinc metal (1 to 4.5 ounces per gallon), sodium hydroxide (10 to 12 oz/gal) and sodium cyanide (1.5 to 14 oz/gal) with operating temperatures ranging from 60ºF to 110ºF. The pH
for such baths is 12 to 13.
Cyanide zinc is highly poisonous and corrosive to living tissue. As a result, concerns over environmental and occupational safety hazards have forced the plating industry to develop and utilize cyanide-free zinc plating systems.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:07:17 PM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Hellen Keller's favorite color is Chuck Norris.)
To: jveritas
Thanks jveritas! I was wondering what happened to you.
Glad to have you back at the "translation desk!"
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:08:41 PM PDT
by
Just A Nobody
(NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
To: SittinYonder
I'm sure Krappy Couric will have this as her lead story on the Today Show.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:10:07 PM PDT
by
Westlander
(Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
To: SittinYonder
Reports have indicated that during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, hydrogen cyanide gas may have been used along with other chemical agents against the inhabitants of the Kurdish city of Halabja in northern Iraq.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/cyanide/basics/facts.asp
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:11:44 PM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Hellen Keller's favorite color is Chuck Norris.)
To: jveritas
I should also mention that mixing NaCN with acid isn't a very effective weapon. You're mostly just flinging acid.
The amount of gas this qty could deliver is only 300lbs. If they're buy chems and using them for weapons some other gas is much easier, cheaper and more effective to use.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:12:15 PM PDT
by
spunkets
To: jveritas
LOL...no. But cyanide is used for metal processing.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:15:14 PM PDT
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: JustDoItAlways
"1. Name of material: Nitric Acid. Unit: Liter. Quantity: 600. Origin: Iraqi." This is the one to watch for. Nerve gasses are just very powerful insecticides. You need oil products like kerosene to get there. NO2- NO3- make them easily absorbed just as nitroglycerin is absorbed by heart patients. NaCN can be mixed with any acid, including acetic acid to create hydrogen cyanide.
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:16:00 PM PDT
by
BobS
To: spunkets
Would it work as cover for buying what they needed? Wouldn't they, if buying as a dual use, have to buy in quantities that matched the purpose the were claiming?
When metal plating is talked about, what would be metal plated? (just curious about that one)
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posted on
05/23/2006 8:17:48 PM PDT
by
eyespysomething
(Hellen Keller's favorite color is Chuck Norris.)
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