Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617
Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I searched but did not see a thread already open for tonights speech. I think this is the most important speech the President will probably make for the remainder of his term.
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This could turn into a whack-a-troll thread. All immigration trolls that would like to participate should post here. It'll be interesting to see if we mods can whack the trolls faster than they can sign up new accounts.
Jim
But dear friend, the Senate is going to strip most of the heart of the House bill in the conference committee and force our stalwart House conservatives into trying to fillibuster the "combined" bill that comes out of committee (because the GOP house leadership is more favorable to the Senate version), and don't expect any of the poisonous 400 amendments in the Senate bill to be omitted either.
They are setting up those who are willing to stand for something to either fail or be seen as "obstructing" a "wonderful reform". With November looming, guess who the House GOP is going to oppose, in the end; thinking it is out of self-preservation? You.
A party leadership turning against a party base is a very ugly thing.
I don't spin.
Goodnight Dick.
Take the "Anchor" out of "anchor baby", eh?
The 14th should be enforced as it was written in 1866:
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
And not how the SCOTUS changed it in 1898.
That outta decrease incentive to run for the border.
Since when do we give a gnat fart what Lou Dobbs thinks of anything? :)
Employers are required to complete an I-9 form now and verify the documents used by the prospective employee.
1. We do not check, at immigration, on the validity of what was put on an I-9 form. It's filed.
2. Zillions of employers just pay cash, under the table, or refer to many groups of employees as independent contractors, with no documentation.
3. Any document can be forged now and any documents will be forged in the future.
The only thing that can stop illegals here is to stop them from getting in here in the first place; and then to use the valid social security number database to reject all tax money coming from employers whose payments include the payments for phony social security numbers. When they cannot pay their own corporate taxes, and continue to owe them, they will finally fire the illegals working for them.
There needs to be a national data base with finger prints, pictures and maybe even DNA.
No card is going to be forge proof.
What are they gonna do? Take our tax cuts away?
I voted for Bush twice. Tell me how the threat of a Hillary continues to remain? I'll tell you: not much difference in either of the two major parties' loyalty to Amercia. That's how.
The first major candidate to stand for our sovereignty and have a plan to address it's survival will kick major butt on all contenders/pretenders, including Hillary.
Might be a rouge republican, might be a third partier, but certainly not a globalist, communist/marxist such as "for the common good" Hillary.
Fortunately, what America's ripe for, neither of these two parties have to offer-- in their all-you-can-eat turd-world buffet kitchens.
I'm getting hungry, need a sammich.
Careful.
My reading is that (1) the House leadership is not so disinclined to the Senate version, (2)the conference committee will strip the heart out of the House enforcement provisions, (3)and without omitting any of the 400 poisonous amendments in the Senate bill and (4)they will force the conservatives in the House into needing a fillibuster, in which they will either fail or be painted (by their own leaders) as obstructing a "wonderful reform".
Its an ugly thing when a party's leaders turn against their own base.
Who said they should?
"It reflected the values and views consistently expressed by this president while still reaching out to those who want strict border enforcement."
This sales job of an idea, in this case, tells you nothing of the substance proposed to implement the idea.
Try this for starters, and keep in mind that Durbin's amendment, among the 399 others in the bill, will replace all existing immigration judges with new positions to be filled only by lawyers who have been working as legal advocates for immigrants - fox in the henhouse.
Start here, for the wonderful comprehensiveness of the bill:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
What he has actually been working to achieve is "Mexican values shall not end at the border", particularly Mexican wage values.
Try here to start:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
From an historical point of view the Republican party "used to represent" all sorts of views. There was a liberal wing to the Republican party back when Goldwater and Rockefeller faced off. The idea that the Republicans are 'conservatives' is a fairly recent one.
The only given then was that the Republicans supported free enterprise and patriotism vs. communism and anti-Americanism.
Teddy Roosevelt, for instance, was very liberal.
And Abraham Lincoln was for the government doing things to make things better for the common man.
I would say that yes, a definite strain of conservative political thought has gained a lot of power in the Republican party, but this is not a "used to be" thing.
Please list the conservative "concrete principles" you believe were part of the old time religion of the Republicans, so I know what you really mean.
Hidden Bombs (Extremely Important Article on Immigration)
The second nasty surprise? Just before the committee approved the bill on the evening of March 27, Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) offered the "DREAM Act" as an amendment. It passed on a voice vote.The DREAM Act is a nightmare. It repeals a 1996 law that prohibits state universities from offering in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens. The principle, of course, is that no illegal alien should be entitled to receive a taxpayer-subsidized benefit that out-of-state U.S. citizens can't get. But the committee's bill allows illegals to be treated better than those U.S. citizens on tuition.
A "guest worker program" achieves that exactly how? What is the incentive to the "guest worker" for getting into the program?
Fining employers who hire illegals; now THAT removes the incentive for breaking in.
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