Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617
Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I searched but did not see a thread already open for tonights speech. I think this is the most important speech the President will probably make for the remainder of his term.
Mod Note:
This could turn into a whack-a-troll thread. All immigration trolls that would like to participate should post here. It'll be interesting to see if we mods can whack the trolls faster than they can sign up new accounts.
Jim
On a visit to Bethesda Naval Hospital, Laura and I met a wounded Marine named Guadalupe Denogean. Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean came to the United States from Mexico when he was a boy. He spent his summers picking crops with his family, and then he volunteered for the United States Marine Corps as soon as he was able. During the liberation of Iraq, Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean was seriously injured. When asked if he had any requests, he made two – a promotion for the corporal who helped rescue him … and the chance to become an American citizen. And when this brave Marine raised his right hand, and swore an oath to become a citizen of the country he had defended for more than 26 years, I was honored to stand at his side.
say what? I am all for the program mind you, but its a basic fact that the government has a list of numbers dialed. that's a fact.
There's more pure undiluted crap on this thread than in the wastewater systems of the 10 largest U.S. cities combined.
He thinks a brain drain from other countries is a good thing.
Of course, if it was lawyers who were pouring into the country that would be a different thing for Levin, wouldn't it.
And I'm trying to remember when our esteemed talk show hosts were demanding all the illegal Irish were deported from NYC. The bars and saloons in NYC are loaded with illegal Irish. And then there's China Town. NYC has tons of illegals working in the Chinese restaurants. Are we calling for their deportation.
Are we demanding the mayors of various cities stop declaring their city a safe zone for illegals.
Can't do that, cause we only want to blame President Bush for this hysteria.
What?
Hmmmm. Whats your Governor doing about it? What are you doing about it? I report suspected illegals. I have done it twice in the last week. Not flaming, just asking, there are a lot WE can do as well..
Correction, the trail of tears was against the Cherokee Indian's
I believe that. Who cares? He's wrong on amnesty, wrong on the border and AWOL on the subject of employing illegals.
This is not going to be a good November.
I can sure agree with you on that...been a SB for thirty years.
>>>Tuberculosis is on the rise. Measles in on the rise. Bacterial diphtheria is on the rise in the USA. Protozoal diseases...Entamoeba histolytica, Balantidium coli is on the rise.<<<
Very scary. No doubt bird flu will also enter this country via Mexican people or Mexican imports.
What is Mexico's abortion rate anyway?
There. Think of this as a controlled burn to act as a firebreak for all the other flames on this thread.
Now if only I could work Darwinism and Outsourcing into this... :-)
Cheers! Full Disclosure: Sounded like Amnesty Lite to me, long on rhetoric, comparatively short on substance:
6,000 new Border Patrol over three years.
National Guand in "behind the scenes" roles.
Biometric card only for aliens: OK, how about those who still sneak across and claim to be citizens by right of an anchor baby, so they don't need a card. How will you verify that?
At least they didn't want the dreaded National ID card!
Virtual fence and unmanned aerial vehicles won't do squat without the warm bodies to round up the aliens.
Good speech on "catch and release" but only "asking Congress for the money" is as good as admitting it is only window dressing.
I earnestly applauded his realization the assimilation is the key, but what of those who ONLY WANT TO GET A JOB...???
And, of course, to bastardize the 60's slogan, "You can't legislate assimilation"--how will they help it along, and how will you keep Dems from sabotaging the program or using it to conduct indoctrination like liberals NEA-types do in high school and college?
Cheers!
Huh?
I am only trying to defend myself. Please send the same message to bfree to make it fair.
And, please read posts 1373, 1409, 1442, 1476.
"My guess is that democrats are not going support Amnesty untill after the election. Then they will go full tilt for it. They are evil that way."
That's not "evil", it's called "smart politics".
What Bush served up tonight is what's called "dumb politics".
I was just sharing your concern.
That is your response to this remark from my post: I have been listening to Dobbs hosting on CNN. It is now the top of the hour and I will certainly be switching to avoid King. I wish we could deport his worthless a$$.
I had a little trouble getting your point. I read back through you old posts to get my bearings.
Are you reading anti-Semitism into my taking a shot at Larry King?????? Has it come to that? That really would be obnoxious, paranoid race-baiting from ~your~ side. I hope you can offer me some other way to understand your remark.
One of the reasons I support illegals is because of a bigoted contractor I knew who was highly dishonest (he would steal from his customers). He was the black sheep brother of an employer of mine, and the employer hoped that some of my honesty would rub off on him.
He said the illegals were all taking his jobs.
Of course when it came to actually hiring labor he would hire illegals.
"They're hard workers," he said.
I see a lot of hypocricy like his around, and I don't like it at all.
I think he lost jobs because people who hired him discovered his theft of stuff from him and really didn't like that. This, of course, has little to do with illegals.
I have benefitted from illegals by working for a company that I believe hired them. (I didn't dig enough to get proof, but I'm sure they did). This company, however, created jobs for plenty of good people, both on the factory side (the Spanish speakers, who were very hard working) and the administrative side (who were all American citizen types). I no longer work for that company, but I'm sure there are thousands of American manufacturing companies that have very similar profiles.
So people should understand that low-end illegals don't just steal jobs away from other manual laborers; they create administrative and technical jobs that are generally higher paying and more pleasant work.
None of the business ventures I've been involved in managing have hired illegals. I have experience with American workers, which unfortunatly has not been favorable.
I guess you can say that on the whole I have a positive impression of illegals and don't like the way they're beat up on here, with nobody to tell the other side of the story. That's why I've spent a lot of my time and effort to try and express a more balanced view of this topic.
My personal ideology is that people are people, and what matters is how good they are as workers and as human beings, not the color of their skin or their citizenship. I'll take an honest, hard-working illegal alien over a lazy or dishonest American any time.
I'm afraid this is not a popular viewpoint on FR.
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