Posted on 05/09/2006 12:40:29 PM PDT by NapkinUser
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressmen Tom Tancredo (R-CO) decried a recently-disclosed U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) practice of tipping off the Mexican military to the location of Minutemen volunteers. According to a story in this morning’s Inland Daily Bulletin, CBP notifies the Mexican government of when and where the Minutemen are planning to monitor the border and if violence is used by the Minutemen against illegal aliens. There has not been one verified instance of Minutemen volunteers using violence against illegal aliens.
“The Mexican military doesn’t exactly have a ‘good government’ reputation. The Border Patrol has documented more than two hundred incursions into the U.S by the Mexican military, and Texas sheriffs even apprehended Mexican government vehicles that were used to ferry drug runners across the border. By tipping off Mexico’s military to the Minutemen’s location, the U.S. government is asking for trouble,” said Tancredo.
“Heavily-armed military officials stationed only yards from civilians are at least intimidating. I can only surmise that the Border Patrol bureaucrats’ spying is meant to have a chilling effect on the Minutemen’s recruitment of more volunteers,” said Tancredo.
“The Minutemen haven’t been accused of breaking the law. Quite the contrary—they have gone out of their way to aid law enforcement and ensure the safety of our border. The U.S. government has no grounds upon which to stifle the Minutemen’s constitutional right to organize,” Tancredo concluded. “I want to know the legal basis for CBP informing a foreign government of the activities of private citizens who are obeying the law.”
They simple told the truth about the issue...oddly enough you don't seem to really be interested in that. I'm shocked.
Are you talking about the Mexican reports? If so, they do not come anywhere close to saying that they are given Minutemen locations from any part of the US government.
Actually, I was even more outraged because that story was buried, hence the lack of response. Think about it. Such a fuss over the ports deal, but only a couple hundred posts on the thread concerning this recent sale? That does not compute.
It always makes me go back to the basic question...what is really driving their outrage.
If you don't already feel the outrage yourself, then you may never understand it. Nonetheless, there is plenty of cause for outrage.
And it won't go away by pulling threads or banning posters. The truth will simply emerge somewhere else, and it will only seem more outrageous because of the attempts to hide it.
On this little forum, you have witnessed exactly what makes this country work. A battle of ideals in progress. People vying to have their voice heard.
And a chorus emerges. It sings on time and on key. The notes envelope you.
Or maybe not. Perhaps you don't just don't care for the tune.
But this piece of music rings out nonetheless. It calls for sovereignty of the United States, and a Republican Form of Government, and adherence to the Constitution.
The right to free speech and religion.
The right to bear arms.
The guarantee of our Government to the States a Republican form of Government, and to protect them from invasion.
The right to be secure in our person and property.
These are only a few things which we in this country have every right to expect, because these are things which under our Constitution, and our Government which is sworn to uphold it, are our God given rights. Even of these few rights guaranteed to the people I have mentioned, EVERY ONE of them is under attack in one form or another.
You need look no farther for the answer to your question as to what is driving the outrage then this.
The text itself is vague, and that includes the before versus after the fact thingie. As I said, it is one big nothing either way.
rolling_stone sent me a link to the BP union website and they don't seem to fit as I thought. You might want to look at it. A union that does not fit my description is a surprise.
LOL! I know what's driving the outrage...
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Mexican army troops remain on the southern border to prevent the entry of undocumented people from other nations who may wish to transit Mexico on the way to the United States. There is also extra security around Mexico's oil fields and refineries.
Mexico supplies the United States with 1.5 million barrels of oil each day.
U.S. officials increasingly see Mexico and Canada as the rear guard for protecting the United States. A report conducted in late September by a private firm called Strategic Forecasting says security will become the major issue in the relations between the three nations.
The report predicted that the United States, Canada and Mexico would work to form a North American security perimeter, with counter-terrorism being the priority.
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2001-10/a-2001-10-14-15-Mexico.cfm
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Do you believe the mexican army is preventing transit of undocumented people from other nations? Does this agreement mean that undocumented people from Mexico are ok to pass?
This story is from US government funded Voice of America.
"This is consistent with the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 that provides consular access to foreign nationals being detained by a foreign government. This is the same agreement that protects United States citizens when they travel to foreign countries."
This has been normal procedure since 1963. I know that while I was in the Coast Guard the State Department always notified the parent nation whenever we detained anyone, and that nation was allowed to insure that the rights of their citizen was being protected.
Notice that this article, like the others, claims: "Congressmen Tom Tancredo (R-CO) decried a recently-disclosed U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) practice of tipping off the Mexican military to the location of Minutemen volunteers."
They are claiming that the government is reporting their positions before the fact, when in reality the government is reporting detentions after the fact.
Different strings of words, different conclusions. I agree with your interpretation of the text from the source you copied and pasted. We will just have to wait and see, whether some agency gives the Mexicans a heads up about what is shaking on the border, because the Mexicans are too lazy to turn on American TV, or just a courtesy call about who is in the tank.
You bet!
And I thought our poiliticians werre the Best money can buy. They're acting like crack ho's..
Gilchrist, Stucky and the local fellow hammered the point that we should use conservatism and their record on illegal immigration as litmus tests.
They're right because we, the citizens, still hold that power and are either on top of it or remiss in our responsibilities. I readily admit that I voted for the current President twice because I saw the opposition unacceptable. Ironically, had I put one or two of those to the Constitution Party candidates I would be sleeping easier knowing that I applied my precious vote to a party that hasn't been compromised.
We are told (commanded) to vote Republican no matter how vile the candidates may be just to spite the Democrats. This policy has been plainly bad for our nation. I encourage all to vote their heart and see where the chips fall. Should the Dems gain advantage for a short time their patheticness would only be amplified - encouraging less apathy during the next cycle. Break eggs to make an omelet. "Those who dare; win."
"Are you talking about the Mexican reports? If so, they do not come anywhere close to saying that they are given Minutemen locations from any part of the US government."
Well, actually, they are. Here's something from the so-callled "report one:"
"From the 6 of April, the number of the members of the Minuteman has diminished significantly. It is reported that in the contiguous area to the dividing line 15 and 23"
The Mexican government even has them pinned down to sectors.
Makes you wonder, who's watching who doesn't it? Even though these reports are from 2005, what will we see when the 2006 reports are published?
Not some agency, it falls on Homeland Security ultimately.
Instead of giving away the Minutemens' positions, couldn't they have simply dropped a hint for the Mexicans to not be so lazy and turn on American TV? Does that improve our security?
Yes, we will see. Or maybe this was just a bad dream. I kind of doubt it. This fits in perfectly with the great fervor with which our southern border is being protected by our government. That's why we are having this discussion, because they have done such a wonderful job at securing the border. Whooo Hooo!
Quite..
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