Current Poll - 13% of members will turn it over to the rats????

[Sonora]

Current poll:

"A time for choosing: It appears that a significant number of our members are so disgusted with the GOP's failure to secure our borders against illegal aliens that they are willing to risk all by voting them out of office, even if it means Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al, are allowed to take charge. Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected? Are you willing to give it all up or are you more determined than ever to keep the Marxists out of power?" _____

So far, 13% of members and 18%+ of participants in this poll say - turn it over to the rats. What's with that? I cannot believe that 13% of those posting here are so stupid or angry with what is happening that they would turn to the rats for the way back to perfect. Now, 13% will result in a winning vote, in a lot of cases.

Anyway, I guess that there is no compromising for some people - just dig a hole and live there while the rats are in charge. I'm so disappointed.

[Old_Mil]

The current poll is a push poll designed to obscure the message of the last poll: if the GOP doesn't abandon liberal views on immigration, that slightly over half of conservative voters won't vote GOP.

[Lancey Howard]

LOL, what you said in two sentences it took me two paragraphs!
(I think people like me are referred to as "verbose".)

[puppypusher]

We as a group of conservatives should indeed work harder to get rid of the RINO's that are infesting the Republican party. At the same time if that does not work I can't see why I should vote for those same RINO's if they are the only choice I have between them and the Dem's.

I would rather vote fora thired party or just stay at home on election day.Either way we are screwed.

[al_again]

So, when the going gets tough, ....... whine and curl yourself up into the fetal positon?

Not sure where I implied anything of the sort. I'm working to change the Republican party by being very active in working to remove those Republicans who have abandoned conservative principles. This will allow me to work even harder for true conservatives in 08!

[jdm]

You have it backwards: the Bushbots and McCain supporters are the true RINOs.

Why? Because John McCain is a very liberal Republican, and someone who's okay with a liberal Republican surely has more in common with the 'rats than someone who wants a "badass fence" around the border.

[eskimo]

I am a conservative, not a repubublican.

That's just something that needs to be repeated again, and again , and again. Thanks.

[FreeReign]

In a recent Ohio Republican primary for senate, RINO DeWine got 74% of the vote and conservative challenger Pierce got 14% of the vote. There were very few posts about this race on FreeRepublic in the run-up to the election. Yet the mindless 13% posted over and over again about how they don't care if the Democrats took control again. Pathetic.

I hope you are not operating under the assumption that the majority of GOP voters give any more thought to voting than pulling the party lever, as the Dems do. Incumbency rules.

What?

My post was about choices in a Republican primary -- a conservative candidate vs. a centrist candidate.

The voters in the Ohio primary chose the centrist RINO over the conservative by a wide margin. The voters are responsible for their choice. The voters are responsible for what they get.

Simple, really. What other point is there to make?

[BW2221]

Are you saying that Bush and a GOP-controlled Congress couldn't have kept spending under control (pork programs are as big as ever), that they couldn't have made some effort to secure the borders since 9/11? Is there something in the Constitution prohibiting that, Mr. Expert?

[FreeReign]

While I'm very upset at the Pubbies in the White House and those who control both houses of Congress, I remember doing this in 1992 and voting for Ross Perot. I was mad at Bush 41 for breaking his "read my lips" pledge. But, oh what a price. It gave us 8 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their damnable legacy.

In '92, I was very mad at Bush 41 too.

I supported Buchanan in the primaries -- I voted for Bush in the general.

The damage from 8 years of Clinton was devastating. We're still paying for it.

[SevenMinusOne]

Quit your whining. W and the Republicans have BECOME the Rats, they need to be voted out. How supportive of the military is it to let enemies into the very houses of their families due to NO ACTION on our border security?

Bud you are 110% off base - To suggest GWB and the GOP have become the same as the Democrats is a claim that is 100% intellectually dishonest and anyone who is "willing" to be honest regarding such a silly statement would acknowledge such - That you can't see the difference in character and class alone of this fine POTUS as compared to those in the Democrat leadership speaks volumes about you.

There is a complete difference on how to fight the WOT (between the two). There is a huge difference on taxes, on ANWAR on judges, on the support of life, on the need of assimilation of immigrants, etc, etc, etc.

Lastly your silly suggest that there is "no action" on the border is flat out wrong. There is more happening along our borders in terms of terrorism (stopping WMDs, dirty bombs, profiling, etc) then can be openly talked about (and for very good and valid reasons!). - Think NSA Op that was outed thus making this nation less safe -

Is there an immigration problem. Yes, but that is separate in degree from national security issues being addressed along our borders - And this immigration problem is 40 years in the making -

Furthermore regarding immigration the reality is millions have been turned back over the past 5 years - Those suggesting absolutely "nothing" is being done regarding illegal immigrants are again flat out lying (for no reason, other then an apparent inability to be intellectually honest on this subject).

[eskimo]

This has to be handled at the primary level. Throw out the liberal and/or weakkneed Republicans and replace them with conservatives.

Who decides who will run in the primaries?

[EternalVigilance]

rino on FR now means "any republican who does not support a badass fence on the mexican border and stiff employer sanctions for hiring illegals and deportation of all illegals here and possibly using machine guns and mine fields too"

And your point is?

[A'elian' nation]

"The ilk of the Democrat party cannot be allowed to hold a majority in any branch of Gov't during this War -

Our soldiers alone deserve better."

Thank you so much for stating this ! It is the heart of the issue for the next election. How can we forget? Are we no better than the Dems who have forgotten 9/11 ?
WE ARE AT WAR WE ARE STILL AT WAR

How anyone can tie President Bush's hands (much less open the doors to impeachment) during a time when we are engaged in combat with the enemy is incomprehensible. It WILL result in a repetition of one of the saddest moments in our history when this country under Democrat party rule abandoned millions of Vietnamese, and killing fields spread throughout southeast Asia.

I am a conservative/libertarian (yes that animal exists), and want to see an alternative to the big gov't ways of the two major parties. But NOW is not the time.
We must hold our fire (which does not mean sit on our butts on election day) and see this war through with our President. Sadly, we may only have 2.5 more years to combat world terrorism if we lose power in 2008.
LET'S NOT SURRENDER ALREADY IN 2006 !

By the way it only takes one-third of the population to effect change (ask George Washington) and start a new party, and I believe that day will come. For now, we have to be patient and support the troops and the President we elected to fight this WOT. Big or Little Gov't won't matter if we lose our freedoms to terrorists.

Besides, we can still prevail on the borders even if Rino's are elected. We have the Minutemen, and I've read reports of fence building on private lands. Besides an election won't change things - unfortunately, all it will take is one border/terrorist incident, and the politicos will find the spine to seal the borders.

Please, let's think of our country first and let President Bush finish the job we elected him to do. Why elect him, and then take away his power to fight?

[firewalk]

not me...

[DesScorp]

"In 1994 the GOP promised us specific changes. They have not kept their promises ..."

You can attribute that in part to the fickleness of the voting public. When Newt actually tried to implement the changes he promised, the Dems screamed "Fascism", and too much of the public bought it. Now, we had been conditioned by the Dems for half a century to act like that, and I think we're a little different now. Our leadership just needs to get theirselves in gear.

I am going to vote for the Constitutional Party in November.

Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Pelosi thank you, and promise to reward you by pulling out of the middle east, raising your taxes, implementing gay marriage, and putting socialist dictators in the bench for life.

[EternalVigilance]

Furthermore regarding immigration the reality is millions have been turned back over the past 5 years -

Notwithstanding the validity or invalidity of your other points, the fact remains that many more millions have crossed in than have been turned back.

There are a little over 15,000 men in an army division.

We've got that many coming in every two days or so now.

That's an invasion no matter how you slice it.

[Txsleuth]

I am shocked that so far, over 130 MEMBERS of FR would turn the US Government over to democrats!!

I wish the poll had us give our screen names...

[Steve Van Doorn]

The problem is we haven't made our case to the people that vote in the RINO's. The reason for this is because basic information isn't getting to them yet.

We should be focused on the problem and not give up so easly.

[Txsleuth]

What DEMOCRAT has EARNED your vote??

[Icelander]

I wish the poll had us give our screen names...
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