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White Guilt and the Western Past (Why is America so delicate with the enemy?)
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 2, 2006 | SHELBY STEELE

Posted on 05/01/2006 10:02:43 PM PDT by RWR8189

There is something rather odd in the way America has come to fight its wars since World War II.

For one thing, it is now unimaginable that we would use anything approaching the full measure of our military power (the nuclear option aside) in the wars we fight. And this seems only reasonable given the relative weakness of our Third World enemies in Vietnam and in the Middle East. But the fact is that we lost in Vietnam, and today, despite our vast power, we are only slogging along--if admirably--in Iraq against a hit-and-run insurgency that cannot stop us even as we seem unable to stop it. Yet no one--including, very likely, the insurgents themselves--believes that America lacks the raw power to defeat this insurgency if it wants to. So clearly it is America that determines the scale of this war. It is America, in fact, that fights so as to make a little room for an insurgency.

Certainly since Vietnam, America has increasingly practiced a policy of minimalism and restraint in war. And now this unacknowledged policy, which always makes a space for the enemy, has us in another long and rather passionless war against a weak enemy.

Why this new minimalism in war? It began, I believe, in a late-20th-century event that transformed the world more profoundly than the collapse of communism: the world-wide collapse of white supremacy as a source of moral authority, political legitimacy and even sovereignty. This idea had organized the entire world, divided up its resources, imposed the nation-state system across the globe, and delivered the majority of the world's population into servitude and oppression. After World War II, revolutions across the globe, from India to Algeria and from Indonesia to the American civil rights revolution, defeated the authority

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathofwest; guilt; iraq; iraqwar; liberalguilt; shelbysteele; steele; vietnam; whiteguilt; whitesupremacy
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1 posted on 05/01/2006 10:02:47 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

I am white and do not feel guilty about things I didn't do.


2 posted on 05/01/2006 10:04:35 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: RWR8189
Why this new minimalism in war?

Because if the world understood the full extent of our military power and what we can do with it, they would demand the same capabilities, and refuse to trade with us until they got it.

3 posted on 05/01/2006 10:10:45 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Psst. Hey, do you know anything about roofing? You're illegal? Damn! Now, did I ASK YOU?)
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To: Pukin Dog
Why this new minimalism in war?

I do not believe that we see ourselves as "fighting for our very survival." We say the platitudes, but we really don't think that the Islamofacists will really change our way of life like Hitler would have.

If we ever come to the point where the populace believes that our survival is threatened, expect the bombs to rain over ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE the terrorists may be hiding!

4 posted on 05/01/2006 10:21:17 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Freerepublic - The website where "Freepers" is not in the spell checker dictionary...)
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To: RWR8189

Ah, trying to make it a race issue. Just like the communists/socialists are trying to do.


5 posted on 05/01/2006 10:22:47 PM PDT by sagar
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To: RWR8189

we lost in Vietnam,

We didn't lose, we gave up.


6 posted on 05/01/2006 10:53:53 PM PDT by garylmoore (Homosexuality: Obviously unnatural, so obviously wrong.)
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To: RWR8189

Slow to anger, heavy handed. Crazier than any other collective group.

When we decide to destroy, the ware will end.


7 posted on 05/01/2006 10:55:31 PM PDT by Porterville (I gave at the State Franchise Board; leave me alone you blood sucking liberal.)
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To: Onelifetogive

I do not believe that we see ourselves as "fighting for our very survival." We say the platitudes, but we really don't think that the Islamofacists will really change our way of life like Hitler would have.

If we ever come to the point where the populace believes that our survival is threatened, expect the bombs to rain over ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE the terrorists may be hiding!




Do you believe our survival is threatened? I think it is;
I believe the Islamofascists' goal is to take over the US (and Europe), but they are patient and careful, so we are lulled into a false sense of security. Also, their plan may be to make us topple "from within".


8 posted on 05/01/2006 11:01:07 PM PDT by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside
I am white and do not feel guilty about things I didn't do.

The liberal response to your statement would be, "That's another thing you should feel guilty about! Feel guilty that you don't feel guilty."

(And if you STILL don't feel guilty, then you should feel guilty that you don't feel guilty about not feeling guilty).

9 posted on 05/01/2006 11:18:44 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

LOL!!!


10 posted on 05/01/2006 11:23:55 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Touche' !!


11 posted on 05/01/2006 11:31:02 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: unfortunately a bluestater
Islamic radicals want to destroy America and the west but they are no where near able to do so.

The reason we only fought a defensive war in Vietnam is because we thought if we went into north Vietnam we'd have to fight the Chinese and Russians. Fighting the USSR would mean nuclear warfare, would mean most of civilian population dead. It wasn't worth it.

In Iraq we want to hold the territory not destroy the enemy. Plus we are losing so few soldiers. I know 2 thousand sounds like alot but its small. The insurgency in Iraq can't take territory, it can only sabotage. The only way to beat that is to use tactics we won't use, or just accept the causalities.
12 posted on 05/01/2006 11:31:13 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside
I am white and do not feel guilty about things I didn't do.

I'll have to make time to read this. Maybe it will stop my white part from feeling guilty about what it did to my American Indian part.

14 posted on 05/01/2006 11:42:27 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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> > we lost in Vietnam,

> We didn't lose, we gave up.

Much worse than that!

We actually WON. Won bigtime. And then we left. The South Vietnamese defeated a major invasion with minimal help from our forces as we were leaving. Once we were gone, they defeated a second major invasion with NO help from our forces.

And then, the most leftist American Congress we've ever had (elected in reaction to Watergate) unilaterally abrogated all of our treaties with the South and totally cut off all resupply of arms, of munitions, of tank and jet fuel, of every basic thing an army and air force needs. It was treachery, plain and simple. Treachery of the vilest kind. What the Democrats in Congress did in '74-'75 was the single most shameful moment for America in my lifetime.

And while this was going on that last year, with an enfeebled Pres. Ford protesting but having zero effect on Congress, the USSR and China, smelling blood, rearmed North Vietnam to the teeth.

When the last invasion came, some South Vietnamese generals turned off their radios because they just could not emotionally bear to hear the pleas any more from their frontline officers begging for bullets, for shells, for tank fuel, for anything to help their forces fight. The generals had nothing to send them.

Thanks to the American Democratic Party, all that the South Vietnamese soldiers had to fight with that day were spitwads.

And how many of us back then even heard the truth of what was happening at that time? Not me. And I read virtually ALL the international news in our city paper and watched the evening news and read TIME cover to cover every week and naively thought myself "informed". HA!!!! Was I ever deluded.

The MSM - much more powerful then than now - did an outstanding job of covering for their darlings in Congress. All we heard was, "See? What'd we tell you? We lost. WE LOST! What have we been predicting all along? Boy, they sure fell fast like a house of cards, didn't they? We have no idea why. Our best guess is that the people of South Vietnam really wanted this liberation from the North to happen after all."

This still angers me no end to this day.

15 posted on 05/01/2006 11:46:39 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: RWR8189

White guilt? LOL


16 posted on 05/01/2006 11:47:53 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

"This still angers me no end to this day."

Thanks for the post. Woodward-Bernstein caused the defeat of Vietnam (with help from Dean and Felt - if he's telling the truth?).

It makes me mad too - sepecially when I hear the stories from Vietnamese friends of what went on after the fall.

And I'll be pissed off if we abandon Afghanistan or Iraq like the MSM and the Liberals would like.


17 posted on 05/01/2006 11:55:11 PM PDT by geopyg ("I would rather have a clean gov't than one where -quote- 1st Amend. rights are respected." J.McCain)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
If we educated our children correctly we would do better.

School uniforms are a plus too.

18 posted on 05/01/2006 11:55:17 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (The Panama canal should be in the south end of Texas.)
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To: RWR8189

bookmarked for later


19 posted on 05/01/2006 11:57:50 PM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside
I don't feel guilty either.

While the europeans were building up their empires in what is now called the Third World, we were busy building our own nation and making money.

We didn't have anything to do with the Euros' crimes, but we end up paying the price.

20 posted on 05/02/2006 12:07:09 AM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
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