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What REALLY is driving up oil prices.
4/26/06 | self

Posted on 04/26/2006 6:35:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Okay, I have seen a LOT of threads claiming that oil companies aren't really making that much on each gallon of gasoline.

Oh, really? (blink, blink) Then explain the record profits by the oil companies.

Why sure. First, US oil companies don't import all of their oil. In fact several companies actually import very little. Where do they get it? Why, from wells on private and federal land that they drilled on years and years ago. What is the extraction cost to get it out of these wells? You can be darned sure that it is nowhere near $75 a barrel. In fact, I read that it is somewhere around $7 to $15 a barrel. Add to this cost a small royalty that they pay the federal government or private land owner and refining and transportation cost and you come up with maybe $25 a barrel.

Now, mix in the oil they bought 3 or 4 months ago at $52 a barrel that is just now coming to the refinery and you have an average of between $25 and $40 a barrel.

So what we have is huge profits at the expense of the consumer. How long will it last? The prices will start to drop once they feel they are starting to harm the economy. Congress and the media and the consumers stop bothering them and they look for the next opportunity to do it all over again.


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KEYWORDS: collusion; energy; gaspost; gasprices; greed; monopolies; oil; petroleum; refinery
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To: groanup
DING ... DING... DING .. WE HAVE A WINNER.

You fingured it out. Theses guy guys live on volume not on gross receipts.

221 posted on 04/26/2006 9:15:55 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: Dog Gone
Tomorrow. I have to go to work tomorrow in hopes of increasing the supply of oil.

What a lousy excuse!

222 posted on 04/26/2006 9:15:56 PM PDT by danmar ("Reason obeys itself,and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it....... Thomas Paine)
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To: FixitGuy
Rebublic = Republic,

Darned fingers...

223 posted on 04/26/2006 9:16:13 PM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: chuckles

ping - well put.


225 posted on 04/26/2006 9:18:04 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The total net profit in DOLLARS is at record levels because prices are at record levels, in DOLLARS. That's rcord levels for bith COST and TOTAL INCOME.

But the Return On Capital Employed (ROCE) is generally under 10%, which is on the low side for a large corporation.

Therefore, your theory is off base, my friend.


227 posted on 04/26/2006 9:20:04 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: FixitGuy
I will bet are those who can afford to pi$$ their money away or are in some way reaping this windfall along with oil companies.

Psst! They did own Exon stock. They're dumping it now, because they are investing in ethanol plants and alternative energy stocks. They're also dumping Exon stock because the "people" and politicians are determined to destroy our oil companies because they committed the crime of being profitable.

228 posted on 04/26/2006 9:20:55 PM PDT by listenhillary (The original Contract with America - The U.S. Constitution)
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To: NittanyLion
What about refining costs? And marketing/distribution? Taxes?



What about some 6 to 8 strong hurricanes the last couple of years in the Gulf of Mexico???
229 posted on 04/26/2006 9:21:32 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"Do you suppose that the dirty little secret of the oil companies is that crude oil is a renewable resource? Carbon, pressure and time create diamonds and the world doesn't seem to run out of those.
Organic matter, pressure and time creates oil. Do you suppose that the vast scientific research resources available to these oil companies has discovered something that they'd just rather not have everyone know? It would destroy their margins.
Just speculatin'."

Sorry but oil is not a renewable resource. Oil is produced so slowly by the Earth that we go threw thousands of years worth of oil every year. The oil in the ground has been here for millions of years.

We still have enough oil for a long time. The reason oil prices are high is because people are scared about oil so the market price is higher, OPEC controls oil output thus raising the price, some of the best wells are running out and we need to find new ones, yet our government refuses to let us do it here.
230 posted on 04/26/2006 9:23:14 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: Iscool
We're not talking about watermelons...Of course people have to buy the gas...Apparently you don't have to drive to work...You may not know it, but millions of Americans do...

No, they don't *have* do to anything. There is always a choice. People (including me) buy gas because, even at its current price, it's better than the available alternatives. You don't *have* to drive to work - you can quit and get a different job, or start your own business, or do whatever you have to do to survive. You have choices, but they are less pleasant than just coughing up the money for gas and then whining about it.

231 posted on 04/26/2006 9:24:49 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Economic illiteracy alert.

You are clueless.

232 posted on 04/26/2006 9:25:01 PM PDT by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: fedupjohn

That makes gas out of line today. 31 cents compared to
$1.61 is a lot better for the worker than $5.15 compared to $3.00 a gal.
Even $3.00 compared to $10.00 the workers are much worse off today.

Thank you. I just wanted some kind of a comparison.


233 posted on 04/26/2006 9:28:27 PM PDT by frannie (Be not afraid of tomorrow - God is already there!)
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To: PunkBuster
Yeah, I'm passionate about it too. You used the work "Comrade" inferring that I was a commie or a socialist or something.

My problem is the same as a trucker who is trying to make a living.

No one should have the right to reach into my wallet and yank out my money just because he CAN. I feel like such a fool for needing to work and gasoline has taken a 300% rise on only two years or so.

The cost of production hasn't risen that much.

And to boot, the domestic companies own the drilling, production, refining and probably the distribution facilities!

Of course they can bitch about having to pay themselves more for the price of running their trucks.

All of it is BS!

234 posted on 04/26/2006 9:28:55 PM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: stopem
40 billion profits AFTER taxes?? Awwww poor little darlings

To bad so sad about taxes they have to pay!

Go back to the DUmp. Do you know who those profits go to? Everyone who has stock in the company. Everyone whose 401(k) includes mutual funds that invest in energy. Grandmothers on pensions. It's not like Exxon-Mobil is a private company owned by one evil rich guy; there's no C. Montgomery Burns rubbing his hands together saying "excellent...".

I'll ask it again - why do high fuel prices turn freepers into socialists? It's really an ugly thing.

235 posted on 04/26/2006 9:29:07 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: PunkBuster

Well, market forces will ensure that crude oil price reductions are passed on to consumers. Regulators, such as the FTC, use antitrust laws to make sure companies do not interfere with free market forces by restricting supplies of products.


236 posted on 04/26/2006 9:32:48 PM PDT by carl in alaska ("You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed." - Mt 24:4)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What is the extraction cost to get it out of these wells? You can be darned sure that it is nowhere near $75 a barrel. In fact, I read that it is somewhere around $7 to $15 a barrel. Add to this cost a small royalty that they pay the federal government or private land owner and refining and transportation cost and you come up with maybe $25 a barrel.

Then riddle me this. Why are the Government owned or controlled Brit and Norwegian French Russian Canadian Venezuelan and (fill in the rest) who each pump far more than Exxon all getting the same price?

You want to be pissed off? Great. Go to Iowa and shoot a corn farmer. They are the guys who pushed Congress into this idiot ethanol farce that is responsible for the price run up we have now. And while you are at it, shoot the Marxist in Caracus and the Islamo Nazis in Terhan. Take them out and the bright boys in the futures market won't be so damn nervous.

237 posted on 04/26/2006 9:35:10 PM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fenceposts go into journalism.)
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To: PunkBuster
Yeah, I'm passionate about it too. You used the work "Comrade" inferring that I was a commie or a socialist or something.

My problem is the same as a trucker who is trying to make a living.

No one should have the right to reach into my wallet and yank out my money just because he CAN. I feel like such a fool for needing to work and gasoline has taken a 300% rise on only two years or so.

The cost of production hasn't risen that much.

And to boot, the domestic companies own the drilling, production, refining and probably the distribution facilities!

Of course they can bitch about having to pay themselves more for the price of running their trucks.

All of it is BS!

238 posted on 04/26/2006 9:36:37 PM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: PunkBuster
Most posts from both sides on here are so far off the wall is appalls me. I do not have the answers. I do recognize BS when I see it. This thread has it leaking out the sides of the diaper.

Bill O'Reilly? Is that you?

239 posted on 04/26/2006 9:38:40 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: FixitGuy
Sorry for the double post..was typing another and lost it somehow..

Time to go to bed!

240 posted on 04/26/2006 9:39:36 PM PDT by FixitGuy
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