Posted on 04/23/2006 5:59:31 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
Who cares if GOP loses Congress?
By Joe Scarborough
Who really cares if Republicans lose Congress? Certainly not GOP leaders in the US House.
As the Wall Street Journal reported, the Republican pigs running Congress are wasting more money than those big-spending Democrats ever did.
Last month's deficit was the highest ever. But while Rome burns, Republicans obsess over their earmarks.
Conservative Republicans. What an oxymoron.
There is nothing conservative about the party to which I once proudly belonged. Like millions, I am disgusted by my party and their leaders.
A handful of responsible adults still understand the need for reform. But don't tell that to GOP bulls who have been trying to spend money like drunken sailors since they were empowered by the Revolution of 1994.
Some revolution.
A decade later, Republicans have given America the biggest deficit ever. The biggest debt ever. The biggest trade gap ever. The highest spending increases ever. A 110% increase in the education bureaucracy. A 100% increase in the Justice bureaucracy. An 88% increase in the Department of HHS. More pork projects than ever before. More earmarks than ever before. More reckless spending projects than ever before. A bigger, more wasteful government than ever before.
Why the hell should conservatives work to put these whores back in their perches of power?
Could Nancy Pelosi's Congress be worse?
Not on the spending level, because George W. Bush would have the courage to veto her outrageous spending bills. Sadly, he has shown no such fortitude with his own party in charge.
It is disgusting. It is also a problem I diagnosed two years ago in my book. But Republicans weren't listening then and they won't listen now.
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Well...if by "that bad" you mean...that watching a sitting POTUS being impeached during the time of WAR....
While Al-queda and other terrorist groups would be foaming at the mouth to slip in and do damage while Bush is having to worry about testifying before some PEACOCK fools...isn't THAT BAD...
Then by all mean SIT OUT!!!
If the Democrats were so bad, why doesn't the leader of the R's feel the same way as you do about them? Would you have Clinton over to have a beer? sleep at your fathers house? go boating with him? Would you go to the opening of his library and talk about him like a pal?
C'mon, they have you by the short hairs, telling you exactly what they want you to hear, so you will vote the way they want. The other side does the exact same thing. Every few years, they will throw a bone to the public, but over all, they do what the agenda calls for. That agenda differs only in speed of implementation, and the words attached to the agenda. GW will give us socialized medicine, he pushes it, while talking against it. That is the way it works in DC, talk one way, push the agenda the other. If you want to continue buying this bill of goods, go ahead. I for one, will opt out and support anybody for office, that currently is non-incumbent. If more people did this, we would gain control of the process, instead of being controlled.
And even he was a sell out...I say flush em all. Delay said there is no more fat to cut in government after all. I want citizen government like our leaders envisioned. I want 1 of every 3 government workers fired...screaming into the hurricane I guess.?
The Republicans are never more conservative than when they're in the minority.
For conservatives to continue voting for them, hoping they'll start acting like conservatives after each election, is the definition of insanity.
I am rejecting that insanity this time. If the Republican Party fails to change, if they continue to sell this nation down the tubes, I will stop supporting them.
In Oklahoma, the two parties have successfully shut out 3rd parties, so I cannot vote for a Constitution Party candidate. Therfore, my reaction will be to stay home on election day.
I think we have accidently fallen into a "border control" thread...
sheesh
There are some scary, scary times ahead if a temper tantrum by some voters puts the national security of this country further at risk...
Uh. Yeah.
Dev, how do you figure this immigration thing has been brewing for the last 40 years? 17 years ago we completed naturalizing every illegal immigrant in the nation, all 3.5 million of them. We now have between 15 and 30 million here.
Frankly I don't see this as complex at all. We have laws. Those laws were broken. There are prescriptions for what is supposed to take place when that happens. This is very simple.
Let's say you are correct for a moment. Okay, we allow those here to have guest permits. We naturalize them in 2012. In 2012 that 15 to 30 million start voting. Immediately those 15-30 million file for next of kin immigration permits. Within five years 15 to 30 million people bring over between two and five more people. Not only that, these 15 to 30 million people have children.
What we're talking about is conservatively between 45 to 90 million people more people on top of those already here before figuring in the new births. All this would take place by 2015.
With births we could be talking about 60 to 120 million people. Thats about 20 to 35% of our current populace, to be added in 9 years. It will be impossible for these people to assimilate. What we will have done is turn the United States into a duality within 25 years, 1990 to 2015. This doesn't even include the illegal immigrants that haven't come over yet.
That doesn't sound like giving away our homeland to you?
Enforcing the laws of our nation would seem a decent way to avoid those temper tantrums.
Funny thing is, the Reps think they & Bush need to be more liberal to be popular. They are so wrong. They would win over many if they behaved like conservatives. STILL, I'll vote Rep. VERY unhappy with many things, VERY happy with many things. The illegals in the streets really freaked me out. Same with the spending, but the Dems won't let em cut anything (and many of the Reps are Dems in disguise, spendingwise). Off to bed. Take care everyone.
My gosh...one track minds.
Read post 90 and perhaps you'll begin to understand why.
BTTT
Both parties are massive spending parties. The Pubs aren't any different than the Dems on the spending front anymore.
So what are the differences?
Obviously, the social issues, but on the spending front the difference is..... the Dems will raise taxes and spend, the Pubs just spend without raising taxes.
So what does a Conservative to do? Vote Pub knowing that the over spending is going to kill us eventually? The American people get hooked on hand outs and when the Dems give them the Pubs have always had a tough go at it getting people weened off it, but when the Pubs are giving it, who's going to ween the takers now? It will be like passing a kidney stone for the Pubs to cut the pork out. After all.... they gave it.
However, by voting Pub, we won't get the tax increases and.... maybe we don't get all the social issues resolved, but at least we don't get the abortion lunatics and gay marriage nut jobs running the show.
By sitting out we get our taxes raised AND lose big time on the social issues, but we all know the American people won't put up with that forever and will put the Pubs back in power eventually, if not for those two reasons alone. Then, the Pubs will be gun shy to ignore conservative spending practices again. The Dems may even seal their fate within two years by trying to impeach President Bush. I don't think that would go well for the Dems at all.
I'm going to vote Pub this November. I think it's better than letting Palosi run the show for sure, but I know they're taking us to a crash landing with their spending. Eventually, were gonna pay the piper one way or another.
Kennedy said this morning that if they get power back...they will take back all of the tax cuts...
And one of his pet projects besides socialized medicine...is that any child that graduates high school SHOULD receive an expenses paid college education.
Yeah...there is NO difference in the parties.../sarc
That we past an amnesty bill in 1986 doesn't mean that solved the problem from that date prior - No, this current illegal immigration / guest workers not leaving, etc, problem has been very long in the making. Not patrolling our borders enough, etc, these are problems that started long before GWB -
Frankly I don't see this as complex at all. We have laws. Those laws were broken. There are prescriptions for what is supposed to take place when that happens. This is very simple.
I hear your sentiment here and in theory (to a degree) I agree with you. However, in the real world, in practice there is no easy solution, no simple remedy for what we have now - Between 14-20 million new illegal aliens living within our borders (a sizable portion NOT assimilating to our custom and culture to boot).
I agree 100% with you that this is a problem. However, I am not of the mind frame that GWB is a sell out or doesn't care about this issue or the lack of assimilation doesn't concern him. It most certainly does. It is just he is looking to a different course of remedy then you obviously agree with. Fine, good people can break from each other on issues now and then. So be it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's say you are correct for a moment. Okay, we allow those here to have guest permits. We naturalize them in 2012. In 2012 that 15 to 30 million start voting. Immediately those 15-30 million file for next of kin immigration permits. Within five years 15 to 30 million people bring over between two and five more people. Not only that, these 15 to 30 million people have children.
I don't see it exactly this way. I see the notion of trying to implement a system which begins to deal with the current illegals who have been here more then 3 years (lets say) into a process in which they become documented.
There are obviously some other measures that need to be implemented. Next of kin restrictions should be placed, we need to address the notion of illegals having children in this Country not immediately having citizenship (that is foolishness). We definitely need more border patrols through a variety of means (as for a fence?? I'm not sure on this yet. If it is worth it or not).
I simply see GWB looking to address this issue in increments. Just like the Soc Sec debate (not to go off topic to far). But he is looking to get a small % into private accounts...as an increment in the right direction. It would then be up to the GOP further down the road to implement further needed adjustments to the Soc Sec system (allowing a larger % into private accounts for example).
Lastly, I just think many who are going off the deep end (IMO) over immigration are doing so from a very self-absorbed mind frame. As I said before, there are times without question when walking away from a political party is fine to do (lots of times)...but we are in a very specific time in our nations history.....and not only do our soldiers deserve better....the reality is the ilk of what IS the democrat party today simply cannot be trusted with a majority in any branch of Gov't.
Regards,
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