George Allen to Senate: Secure the Borders

NewsMax ^ | 4/16/06 | NewsMax

[wagglebee]

2008 presidential hopeful George Allen urged his Senate colleagues on Sunday to "put the pedal to the metal" on immigration reform and "first and foremost, secure the borders."

"[For] the people out there in the real world . . . this is a hot issue," Sen. Allen told CBS's "Face the Nation." "I think the Senate needs to put the pedal to the metal, get moving, make decisions and first and foremost, secure the borders."

On some of the amnesty bills currently before Congress, Allen said: "We should not reward illegal behavior because all you'll get is more illegal behavior."

Asked if Republican-controlled Congress would "be hurt" by further inaction on illegal immigration, Allen said: "I think Republicans need to stand up for the rule of law. I think Republicans need to stand up for securing our borders. And I think Republicans - and all people - ought to look at history."

The Virginia GOP'er noted that in 1986, amnesty was provided to the 3 million illegals then in the country.

"Now we have approximately 11 million in the country illegally," he added. "Twenty years from now we're going to have 20 million.

"We need to do this right, do it properly and learn from history."

[advance_copy]

Hmmmm. Well, I may have to change my description to "almost" impeccable. Or, impeccable in the 21st century. That one goes back a ways, and I wonder if there's a reason for it.

[EternalVigilance]

So, are you on the Allen bandwagon, sinkspur?

[EternalVigilance]

Hmmmm. Well, I may have to change my description to "almost" impeccable. Or, impeccable in the 21st century. That one goes back a ways, and I wonder if there's a reason for it.

ROFL...

[sinkspur]

No. Allen's a wimp.

I will vote for whomever the Republicans nominate. That includes McCain or Guliani, who, IMO, are the only two who would definitely beat any Democrat they ran against.

[EDINVA]

"how many senators will join him?? "

Good Question ... starting with his in-state colleague, it's dubious.

[Gelato]

Yeah. The reason for his pro-choice vote was the political climate at the time. In 1992, a Republican COULD be pro-choice and get away with it.

Since then, Allen has wised up to times. Like a true politician, Allen adjusted his voting to fit in line with what is necessary to get ahead in this party.

[EternalVigilance]

No. Allen's a wimp.

I will vote for whomever the Republicans nominate. That includes McCain or Guliani, who, IMO, are the only two who would definitely beat any Democrat they ran against.

Well, what's the difference, then. Either way, you're guaranteed years of liberal governance.

[Spunky]

My Congressman, Doc Hastings was one of 17 republicans who voted against H.R. 4437: Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005

I wrote and asked him why he voted against it.

Here is his reply.

April 12, 2006

Dear ______:

Thank you for contacting me regarding immigration reform. I appreciate you taking the time to share your views with me.

I share your concerns about illegal immigration. I believe we must strengthen control over our borders through increased manpower, new technology and smarter law enforcement coordination. Additionally, we must expand the number of detention facilities for those caught crossing the border illegally and increase penalties for those who smuggle illegal immigrants into the United States.

I oppose blanket amnesty for those currently here illegally, and I believe that our security depends on ending the current practice of turning a blind eye to the large number of illegal immigrants in our country today.

You specifically mentioned your concerns about my opposition to a bill that was approved by the House of Representatives in December. While I support the bill’s stated goal of strengthening our borders, without a reformed guest worker program it fell far short of the comprehensive solution that Central Washington and our nation needs.

To stop illegal immigration and fix our broken immigration system, we must strengthen our borders and create a legal channel for workers to come here and fill jobs that Americans are not. A functional guest worker program means our government decides who enters our country, where they are, when they must leave, and what rules they must follow.

As a top producer of labor-intensive agriculture products, our region is heavily dependent upon an immigration workforce. Without a legal channel for honest and hardworking individuals to fill these jobs, I am concerned that agriculture would be left with a serious worker shortage and our entire economy would be hurt. The United States would be at serious risk of losing our fresh fruit and vegetable production to foreign countries. Furthermore, the cost of construction and basic services would increase - raising prices for every American.

As the conversation about immigration reform continues in Congress, I will work toward a plan that meets our security and economic needs. I look forward to voting for a final plan that addresses illegal immigration in a comprehensive manner.

Again, thank you for contacting me. Please do not hesitate to contact me again in the future on any matter of importance to you.

Sincerely, Doc Hastings, Member of Congress

As you can see he is for pumping a lot of money into MORE Detention Centers. No mention of building high fences/walls to keep them out in the first place. He is also chanting the same mantra as some. No Americans will do this kind of work.

I think his real reason for voting NAY was fear he would lose the votes from all the illegals in this district.

[Torie]

Some might think your way was an even surer way of governance taking a rather decisive turn to the Left. One must know the market, before fashioning the ad campaign, and if your views don't fit the market, one must know how to effect the rather more difficult task, of changing the market. There are very few politicians that can achieve the latter. There just aren't.

[wagglebee]

I view it as a pointless waste of taxpayer money to detain or otherwise incarcerate illegal aliens who have broken no other law than crossing the border. Send the illegals back and build a barricade.

[Blackirish]

I will vote for whomever the Republicans nominate. That includes McCain or Guliani, who, IMO, are the only two who would definitely beat any Democrat they ran against.

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I agree. I'd much rather see Rudy, McCaine...Pence. I don't think the voters will take another big spending Southerner. That said if Allen is nominated I will not take my ball and go home ....like Allen supporter's say about Rudy or McCaine. I will work and vote to get him elected.

[Gelato]

Thanks for the quote.

At most, it says that Allen wants a review of Roe v. Wade to account for modern scientific studies on life (which he believes have determined the right to life to begin at viability or brainwaves). He supports waiting for the courts to grant the states "more discretion" in restricting abortion.

It's telling that Allen doesn't come out and say the Roe should be completely overturned.

His lukewarmness makes me want to vomit.

[sitetest]

Dear sinkspur,

"That includes McCain or Guliani,..."

If Mr. Giuliani is nominated, then social conservatives have already lost the election. I would not ever vote for Mr. Giuliani for president.

I suspect neither would a significant part of the social conservative segment of the Republican coalition.

Mr. Giuliani can't win the presidency as the Republican nominee.

Now, if he switched back to the Dems and took Hillary on in the primaries...


sitetest

[sinkspur]

Well, what's the difference, then. Either way, you're guaranteed years of liberal governance.

Uh-huh. Everybody (and I mean EVERYBODY) is to the left of a Keyster.

[Torie]

That is a quote of myself. I composed it just for your reading pleasure. :) What I was saying, was that was what one would expect a prime time candidate to say, with Allen's views, as opposed to what he actually said.

[EternalVigilance]

Some might think your way was an even surer way of governance taking a rather decisive turn to the Left.

So, in your eyes, 'surrender is the path to victory'! ;-)

[Dead Corpse]

[Torie]

The polls show Rudy or McCain can secure the nomination without the support of 75% of the posters on this site. In the General, the loss of the some of the conservative is "base," is more than made up for by a huge margin, with the votes of moderate independents and Dems, who voted for Gore and Kerry, mostly because of social issues.

[mrsmith]

Voting Record For Allen (R)

An 'X' in the P column indicates a vote where a Representatives vote differs from the vote of the majority of their Party.

Vote Number	Vote	P	Date	Issue	Question	Result	Description
388	Yea	X	13-Nov	MOTION	On Approving the Journal	P
389	Nay		13-Nov	H RES 275	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 2; FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT OF 1991
390	Nay	X	13-Nov	H R 2	On Agreeing to the Amendment	F	STENHOLM (SUBSTITUTE
391	Nay		13-Nov	H R 2	On Agreeing to the Amendment	A	GORDON (SUBSTITUTE)
392	Yea		13-Nov	H R 2	On Motion to Recommit with Instructions	F	FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT OF 1991
393	Nay		13-Nov	H R 2	On Passage	P	FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT OF 1991
394	Nay	X	13-Nov	H RES 277	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 2094; FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION IMPROVEMENT ACT OF 1991
395	Nay	X	14-Nov	H RES 280	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 3575; FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTAL COMPENSATION ACT OF 1991
396	Yea		14-Nov	H R 3575	On Passage	P	FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTAL COMPENSATION ACT OF 1991
397	Present		14-Nov	QUORUM 397	Call of the House	P
398	Nay	X	14-Nov	H R 2094	On Agreeing to the Amendment	A	WYLIE (EN BLOC)
399	Nay	X	14-Nov	H R 2094	On Passage	F	FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION IMPROVEMENT ACT OF 1991
400	Yea		18-Nov	H R 2100	On Agreeing to the Conference Report	P	DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR FISCAL YEARS 1992 AND 1993
401	Nay		18-Nov	H RES 282	SUSPEND THE RULES AND AGREE	F	AGREE IN SENATE AMENDMENT WITH AN AMENDMENT TO H.R. 355; BUREAU OF RECLAMATION DROUGHT ASSISTANCE
402	Present		19-Nov	QUORUM 402	Call of the House	P
403	Yea	X	19-Nov	H R 2707	ON PASSAGE, OBJECTIONSOF PRESIDENT NOTWITHSTANDING	F	DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND EDUCATION APPROPRIATIONS, F.Y. 1992
404	Yea		19-Nov	H RES 283	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 3595; MEDICAID MORATORIUM AMENDMENTS OF 1991
405	Yea		19-Nov	H R 3595	On Agreeing to the Amendment	F	GRADISON
406	Yea		19-Nov	H R 3595	On Motion to Recommit with Instructions	F	MEDICAID MORATORIUM AMENDMENTS OF 1991
407	Nay	X	19-Nov	H R 3595	On Passage	P	MEDICAID MORATORIUM AMENDMENTS OF 1991
408	Yea		20-Nov	H RES 286	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	WAIVING ALL POINTS OF ORDER AGAINST CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 2521; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS F.Y. 1992
409	Yea		20-Nov	H CON RES 226	SUSPEND THE RULES AND AGREE	P	COMMENDING THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS
410	Nay	X	20-Nov	H J RES 346	On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass	P	NONDISCRIMINATORY TREATMENT OF PRODUCTS OF SOVIET UNION
411	Yea		20-Nov	H RES 287	SUSPEND RULES AND AGREE	P	RELATING TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SENATE AMENDMENT TO H.R. 1724
412	Yea		21-Nov	H R 1724	MOTION TO INSTRUCT CONFEREES	P	LIFTING RESTRICTIONS ON THE IMPORTATION OF GOODS FROM CZECHOSLOVAKIA AND HUNGARY
413	Yea		21-Nov	H R 3371	MOTION TO INSTRUCT CONFEREES	F	OMNIBUS CRIME CONTROL ACT OF 1991
414	Nay		21-Nov	H R 3768	On Motion to Recommit with Instructions	F	FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION IMPROVEMENT ACT OF 1991
415	Yea		21-Nov	H R 3768	On Passage	P	FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION IMPROVEMENT ACT OF 1991
416	Yea		22-Nov	H R 3839	MOTION TO COMMIT WITH INSTRUCTIONS	F	LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND EDUCATION APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1992
417	Yea		22-Nov	H R 3839	On Passage	P	LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND EDUCATION APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1992
418	Nay		22-Nov	H RES 279	On Ordering the Previous Question	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 2929; CALIFORNIA DESERT PROTECTION ACT OF 1991
419	Nay		22-Nov	H RES 279	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 2929; CALIFORNIA DESERT PROTECTION ACT OF 1991
420	Yea		22-Nov	H R 2929	On Agreeing to the Amendment	F	LEWIS OF CA. (NATURE
421	Nay		23-Nov	H RES 294	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	WAIVING THE REQUIREMENT OF CLAUSE 4(b) OF RULE XI, AGAINST CERTAIN RESOLUTIONS REPORTED FROM THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
422	Nay		23-Nov	H RES 298	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	TO EXPEDITE A CONFERENCE WITH THE SENATE ON A BANKING BILL
423	Yea		25-Nov	S 543	MOTION TO INSTRUCT CONFEREES	P	FDIC IMPROVEMENT ACT OF 1991
424	Nay		25-Nov	H RES 299	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 3750; HOUSE CAMPAIGN SPENDING LIMIT AND ELECTION REFORM ACT
425	Yea		25-Nov	H R 3750	ON AGREEING TO THE AMENDMENT	F	MICHEL SUBSTITUTE
426	Yea		25-Nov	H R 3750	On Motion to Recommit	F	HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES CAMPAIGN SPENDING LIMIT AND ELECTION REFORM ACT OF 1991
427	Nay		25-Nov	H R 3750	On Passage	P	HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES CAMPAIGN SPENDING LIMIT AND ELECTION REFORM ACT OF 1991
428	Nay		26-Nov	MOTION	On Approving the Journal	P
429	Yea		26-Nov	H R 2929	On Agreeing to the Amendment	A	MARLENEE
430	Yea		26-Nov	H R 2929	ON AGREEING TO THE AMENDMENTS EN BLOC	F	DELAY (EN BLOC)
431	Yea		26-Nov	H R 2929	On Agreeing to the Amendment	F	ALLARD
432	Yea		26-Nov	H R 2929	On Agreeing to the Amendment	F	DANNEMEYER
433	Yea		26-Nov	H R 2929	On Agreeing to the Amendment	F	NICHOLS
434	Nay		26-Nov	H R 2929	On Agreeing to the Amendment	F	DELAY
435	Nay		26-Nov	H R 2929	On Passage	P	CALIFORNIA DESERT PROTECTION ACT
436	Yea		26-Nov	H R 2212	On Agreeing to the Conference Report	P	REGARDING THE EXTENSION OF MOST FAVORED NATION TREATMENT TO THE PRODUCTS OF CHINA
437	Nay		26-Nov	H RES 309	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	WAIVING ALL POINTS OF ORDER AGAINST CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.J. RES. 157; DIRE EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, 1992
438	Yea		26-Nov	H J RES 157	On Agreeing to the Conference Report	P	DIRE EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL, 1992
439	Yea		26-Nov	H R 3909	SUSPEND THE RULES AND PASS	P	TAX EXTENSION ACT OF 1991
440	Yea		26-Nov	H R 2950	On Agreeing to the Conference Report	P	INTERMODAL SURFACE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE ACT OF 1991
441	Nay		26-Nov	H RES 301	On Agreeing to the Resolution	P	WAIVING ALL POINTS OF ORDER AGAINST THE CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 3371; TO CONTROL AND PREVENT CRIME
442	Yea		26-Nov	H R 3371	RECOMMIT CONFERENCE REPORT WITH INSTRUCTIONS	F	OMNIBUS CRIME CONTROL ACT OF 1991
443	Nay		26-Nov	H R 3371	On Agreeing to the Conference Report	P	OMNIBUS CRIME CONTROL ACT OF 1991
444	Nay		26-Nov	H RES 320	On Ordering the Previous Question	P	PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL H.R. 3435; RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION REFINANCING, RESTRUCTURING, AND IMPROVEMENT ACT OF 1991

30 Yea, 25 Nay, 2 Present, 0 No Vote (0.00 %)
9 votes (2.03 %) not with majority of R-party.

[EternalVigilance]

Uh-huh. Everybody (and I mean EVERYBODY) is to the left of a Keyster.

But you were promoting Giuliani and McCain.

And EVERYBODY is to the right of Guiliani!

And everybody is saner than McCain!