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Congress Nears Deal on Illegal Immigrants (breaking on cable networks)
AP/Yahoo News ^ | 4-6-06 | DAVID ESPO

Posted on 04/06/2006 8:33:43 AM PDT by STARWISE

WASHINGTON - In a last stab at compromise, Senate Republicans and Democrats reported progress Thursday toward agreement on legislation opening the way to legal status and eventual citizenship for many of the 11 million immigrants now in the U.S. illegally.

"There's been tremendous progress overnight," said Sen. Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record) of Nevada, the Democratic leader, while Majority Leader Bill Frist also expressed optimism that a long-sought compromise might be at hand.

There was no immediate reaction from President Bush, who has made immigration legislation a key priority.

The developments occurred after Frist unveiled a new bill late Wednesday night on the subject as the Senate headed into a test vote on the most sweeping immigration bill in two decades.

In general, the legislation would provide for enhanced border security, regulate the flow of future immigrants into the United States and settle the legal fate of the estimated 11 million men, women and children already in the country.

It was the fate of the illegal immigrant population that proved hardest to legislate, and it has left the Senate on the verge of gridlock for days.

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Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., as well as other key senators met before the vote to review terms of a proposed compromise.

In general, it would require illegal immigrants who have been in the United States between two years and five years to return to their home country briefly, then re-enter as temporary workers. They could then begin a process of seeking citizenship.

Illegal immigrants here longer than five years would not be required to return home; those in the country less than two years would be required to leave without assurances of returning, and take their place in line with others seeking entry papers.

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To: BigSkyFreeper
Why does he have to scale the wall to use his RPG?

No, but a Mexican does have to successfully cross the border to become an illegal immigrant.

1,421 posted on 04/06/2006 3:15:08 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
That is what everyone has been posting to you for the last half an hour.

Actually I was the first one who said it.

Post after post to you has stated that a wall that even slows down illegal immigration would be of value.

Because they either haven't been paying much attention, or simply agree with me.

1,422 posted on 04/06/2006 3:15:54 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
It was a shotgun wound 20 years ago.

Agreed

1,423 posted on 04/06/2006 3:16:08 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: Revel

Good point. It is a joke.


1,424 posted on 04/06/2006 3:16:13 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: JeffAtlanta

I can write a book on how the 86 amnesty bill was the driving force behind the transofmration of California from being a moderate-conservative state in the mid 80s that was trending GOP to being a now solidly liberal state. I can even draw charts and maps on how the demographic changes drove the political changes.

The thing is, the pro illegal immigrant(and pro high level of immigration in general) "conservatives" have no clue when it comes to facts and critical thinking. When all is said and done, the US will be a social democracy, and the most delicious irony is that those who will complain the most about extreme levels of taxation will be those who supported open borders. When their time comes, and their time will come, I will not shead a tear.


1,425 posted on 04/06/2006 3:17:34 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: JeffAtlanta
No, but a Mexican does have to successfully cross the border to become an illegal immigrant.

He doesn't have to be in America to hit a border town.

1,426 posted on 04/06/2006 3:17:39 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: sinkspur
I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth.

If you're too ashamed to defend your positions-which doesn't surprise me, since less than 10%, if that, of this board's users agree with them-then that's your problem, not mine.

1,427 posted on 04/06/2006 3:17:49 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

It's not a matter of wishing or inventing. Truly, it's a matter of r.e.a.d.i.n.g.:

Federal Law--Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a FEDERAL FELONY when she or he: assists an illegal alien she/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

The United States Constitution defines
ILLEGAL ENTRY:
USC 8 Section 1325 states

"Any alien who:

1. Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or

2. Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or

3. Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18, or imprisoned not more than two years or both.

(b) Improper time or place, civil penalties - Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of

(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or

(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

(c) Marriage fraud - Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000 or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud - Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

ILLEGAL HIRING: Section 1324a states: "Any person who knowingly hires/harbors/transports any illegal alien is GUILTY OF A FELONY punishable by 10 years jail + $2000 fine per illegal alien + forfeiture of the vehicle or property used to commit the crime".


1,428 posted on 04/06/2006 3:18:35 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: sinkspur

Jeff Sessions is on the Senate floor right now, and he said the the CBO has informed them that the immigration bill pending violates the Budget Act and some other rules...

That bill could just have to be flushed anyway.


1,429 posted on 04/06/2006 3:18:43 PM PDT by Txsleuth (~~~~~~FREEPATHON TIME~~~~~~)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Take out the Texas hispanic vote and he he didn't do well at all with hispanics.

What a silly thing to say.

Because Bush did well with Texas Hispanics, the fact that he got 44% of the total Hispanic vote is meaningless?

That's like saying "Well, if Florida hadn't put in all those three pointers, UCLA would have won."

1,430 posted on 04/06/2006 3:18:59 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: TAdams8591

Clearly, the seante compromise is a sell out.

I am praying one of our GOOD senator's will stage a true filibuster to stop the midnight vote... ala Mr. Smith Goes To Washington.

I am thinking Senator's Kyl and Cronyn.


1,431 posted on 04/06/2006 3:19:06 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
He doesn't have to be in America to hit a border town.

My statement was that a person cannot become an illegal immigrant remotely. That is the problem we're trying to solve - not an imaginary one where the Mexicans are launching RPGs.

1,432 posted on 04/06/2006 3:19:32 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: RFT1
When all is said and done, the US will be a social democracy, and the most delicious irony is that those who will complain the most about extreme levels of taxation will be those who supported open borders. When their time comes, and their time will come, I will not shed a tear.

Quoted for verity.

1,433 posted on 04/06/2006 3:20:18 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Txsleuth
Jeff Sessions is on the Senate floor right now, and he said the the CBO has informed them that the immigration bill pending violates the Budget Act and some other rules...

How can an act of Congress violate another act of Congress? If they conflict, the second one wins. At least that's how I thought it worked.

1,434 posted on 04/06/2006 3:21:05 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: sinkspur
Because Bush did well with Texas Hispanics, the fact that he got 44% of the total Hispanic vote is meaningless? That's like saying "Well, if Florida hadn't put in all those three pointers, UCLA would have won."

The texas hispanic vote is a huge component of the total hispanic vote. Presidental candidates (except Gore) tend to carry their own state by huge margins.

Without his home state hispanics pumping up the numbers, Bush was solidly beaten in the nationwide hispanic vote.

Not every politician is from Texas so they won't get that same home state advantage. Let's see how well a conservative republican from Ohio does with the hispanic vote.

1,435 posted on 04/06/2006 3:23:01 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
My statement was that a person cannot become an illegal immigrant remotely.

No, your statement said he had to be physically in this country to use it. Either own up to your posts or refrain from making goofy statements.

That is the problem we're trying to solve - not an imaginary one where the Mexicans are launching RPGs.

Who said they had to be Mexican to launch an RPG? I sure didn't.

1,436 posted on 04/06/2006 3:24:15 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
What it does is prove that Americans will do those jobs and are doing most of them.

The survey doesn't prove that at all.

It proves that 76% of those in the "farming occupation" are American citizens. All the people I see driving the air-conditioned John Deeres are likely American citizens. But how many of them pick oranges?

1,437 posted on 04/06/2006 3:24:21 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: onyx

"Clearly"?! Come on - your side got HR 4437 and ours gets the Senate bill - maybe if the Conference Committee goes completely with the Senate version, then you can claim a "sell out".


1,438 posted on 04/06/2006 3:26:24 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Re: your post #1267, where did I "slam" an American?!

Your answer is in #1267.

1,439 posted on 04/06/2006 3:26:24 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: clawrence3

As feautured on Brit's show minutes ago, it a clearly a sell out.


1,440 posted on 04/06/2006 3:28:09 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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