Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Blue-collar envy: Skilled trades appeal to underemployed Ph.D.
Computerworld ^ | APRIL 04, 2006 | Elva Angelique Van Devender

Posted on 04/04/2006 9:58:28 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

My husband jokes that I should have been an electrician. In this age of outsourcing and job insecurity, the trades seem to us to be the best professions of the future. To be sure, most aren't glamorous and are often physically demanding. But a number seem to have financial security and stability, and their job portability doesn't hurt, either. Many of us white-collar employees don't get to choose where we will live; we must go wherever our employer requires us. Many folks in the trades can command a good income, choose their own hours, and put down roots in a community and stay as long as they choose. I wish I had this luxury.

Both my husband and I are Ph.D. chemists. I'd once wanted to be an opera singer. I come from a long line of writers and musicians, but I had the (mis)fortune of being good at science. In college, the thinking was that the sciences (and an advanced degree) would guarantee me some sense of employment security. Pursuing opera would subject me to the unemployment line, I thought, at least until my career took off. I could sing on the side, but by making medicines that make people well, I could make a meaningful difference in the world.

I could never have predicted the difficulties that I'd face. I followed my husband from Virginia (where we went to graduate school) to Maine, where my husband found a job, and then to Oregon, where we live now. In Maine, I was out of work for almost a year. I went to four temp agencies before I found one that would place me. I was turned away from administrative-level positions because I didn't have "admin experience." I worked retail and part-time jobs. Eventually, I learned to leave my Ph.D. off my resume, which helped me land my first serious job. It didn't pay well, but at least it was serious.

When we moved to Oregon, where my husband had accepted another job, and I found myself interviewing again. I worked for a biotech company, handling their patents and licenses, but this company didn't care about my expensive chemistry degree. I now work at an advertising agency where I (Shhh!) barely earn above minimum wage. The agency ran an ad for the assistant position I now hold and received 60 applications the next day.

It just doesn't seem right. I was valedictorian of my high-school class of 600, summa cum laude from my university, and graduated with distinction from graduate school. And none of this seems to have made the least bit of difference in helping me to build a career. At age 30, I feel grateful to have a job at all, because there are few in my part of Oregon.

My situation is hardly unique. My husband and I know plenty of people with advanced degrees (Ph.D., MS, J.D., and MBA) who have had this problem. In many cases, it's the "two-body problem," where both spouses hold advanced degrees. For some, it's because they choose to live in smaller cities, where opportunity is limited. But often it seems as if the job market isn't able to absorb all the advanced-degree holders at the pace colleges and universities are churning them out. Where are all these people going to work?

I am planning to go back to school this fall. Another doctorate. I have decided to make use of my Ph.D. in medicinal chemistry and become a pharmacist. I still dream of being able to make my own destiny, to carve my own path. A person of some intelligence who worked hard and had the right attitude used to be able to do that. Right now, my Ph.D. and $3.65 gets me a Cinnamon Dolce Latte at Starbucks, and not much more.

My dad often used to say, "Life does not reward us for efforts expended." I have learned the hard way that there are no guarantees in life, and that you can have all the determination in the world, and sometimes the opportunities just aren't there.

In this new world order, where jobs of every stripe are outsourced, and job security or opportunity can be a scarce commodity, one could do a lot worse than to be a electrician.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blue; boss; collar; company; education; employer; employment; job; jobmarket; jobs; labor; phd; retraining; role; skinonthebone; unemployment
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180181-194 next last
To: wideawake
I met some brilliant, absolutely brilliant, people at the University of Chicago who were incapable of carrying on a normal conversation or ordering a meal in a restaurant.

No kidding, man. I don't know what it was about the U of C that encouraged that. Were they that way before, or did they become that way? And why were their apartments always so nasty?

But mostly, I wonder why they thought Hyde Park was the greatest neighborhood in Chicago.

161 posted on 04/04/2006 5:31:30 PM PDT by Heyworth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: null and void

I'm already in my Plan B - self-employed in a market with virtually no competition, working as a consulting engineer both locally here in Hawaii and with my old clients in Arizona.


162 posted on 04/04/2006 6:01:38 PM PDT by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infected with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Flightdeck

See my Post #162 in this thread - you probably noticed that construction is booming here. Kauai has become a favored location for early retirees and the affluent looking to have a second or third home. I turn away as much work as I am doing, and could have a virtual monopoly if I pulled the right strings. I was in the right place at the right time when and found an untapped niche.


163 posted on 04/04/2006 6:08:58 PM PDT by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infected with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Heyworth
I don't know what it was about the U of C that encouraged that.

The admissions process was focused purely on academics. I got in on the strength of my transcript, my SAT scores and my essay. That's it. I had no bells or whistles on my application.

The kids in my high school who got into the Ivies in several cases had weaker numbers than me, but they did all the window dressing stuff - elected captain of a varsity team through aggressive campaigning, served in student government, created their own charities just to put on their application, nominally joined twelve extracurricular activities to pad the resume, got recommendations from their parents' prominent friends in Congress, academia etc.

U of C students were admitted on raw brains for a rigorous core curriculum where a grade curve and grade inflation were unheard of.

As a result, you got the student who was the smartest kid to ever attend the local high school in their hometown. The kid who only cared about intellectual pursuits and spent his afterschool time building a PC from spare parts in his basement or teaching himself to read Akkadian.

When these kids arrived in an environment where their parents were far away, where they were forced by necessity to interact socially with other kids almost 24 hours a day, were swamped with a load of the first classes they had ever in their life found challenging, and were no longer special (what had enabled them to endure the pain and loneliness of high school was their secret smugness: "They're all bastards to me, but I'm smarter than every one of them!") many of them just lost it.

I mean, I like to think I'm not a dumb guy, but since I went to an exclusive high school for "gifted" kids I was very used to not having the highest IQ in the room when I arrived at college. That saved me from having any psychotic breaks.

But mostly, I wonder why they thought Hyde Park was the greatest neighborhood in Chicago.

Because most of them had never lived in a place as "hip" as Hyde Park before. I went to high school in Manhattan, so I was not impressed by colorful homeless people or used book stores.

I moved to the North Side as soon as I finished my first year and commuted to the U of C after that.

164 posted on 04/04/2006 7:47:45 PM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 161 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower

With a little bit of talent, some luck, lots of self-training and a larger amount of personal initiative, there is plenty of opportunity out there.

Ah, that self-training part! Why should it matter how or where you learn, only THAT you learn???


165 posted on 04/04/2006 8:09:04 PM PDT by smalltownslick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: wideawake

"This woman's whining is pathetic. If you have a working brain you can get a good job in the US. Unless you're lazy."

...or socially inadequate to the point that everyone despises you and your arrogant intellectually superior attitude, requiring you to find a similarly flawed group of individuals to give you comfort and ego-stroking: local chapter of ELF/Progressives for Hillary/New Trotskyists, etc.


166 posted on 04/04/2006 8:09:41 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Longhorns+January=Rose Bowl Repeat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: oceanview
our society needs to redefine what it means to be "educated" - because the job market is shifting towards positions that simply don't require alot of it, or require specific training - like culinary school, building trades, auto mechanics, etc.

Yeah. Teaching some real life skills would help. A real Home Ec, not just cooking and house keeping, but also how to balance a check book, make and stick to a budget, select investments, buy a house, etc. Or how about classes on running your own small business?

167 posted on 04/04/2006 8:20:30 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: blam

My son has a PhD in physics. I advised him to get a job in the defense industry, he did in the LA area. He's still at Northrup-Grumman but is making more money 'flipping' houses on the side.

But that's a whole other story. Anyone who "flips" houses is simply immoral, or maybe amoral. No hope for them, no reason for what they do. Pure evil.


168 posted on 04/04/2006 8:23:21 PM PDT by smalltownslick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies]

To: 1rudeboy; neutrino
I blame my children and their college funds. Don't they know a better use of that money would be to overpay for consumer goods? Greedy kids!

They should just be glad we have a nice house in a nice neighborhood with a good high school. Of course we pay a lot more in property taxes to pay for that school. Is that greedy too? Should we sell the house and move to a poorer neighborhood? That way, the lower property taxes would leave us with more money to spend on those higher priced goods that are so important.

169 posted on 04/04/2006 8:33:10 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 156 | View Replies]

To: smalltownslick
Anyone who "flips" houses is simply immoral, or maybe amoral. No hope for them, no reason for what they do. Pure evil.

LOL!! Buying and selling, how could they???

170 posted on 04/04/2006 8:34:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 168 | View Replies]

To: smalltownslick

A good number of them take it on the chin in the end, but that is small consolation.


171 posted on 04/04/2006 8:34:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 168 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot
I'm not against market-timing, per se, but I have observed that a lot of these flippers don't have the financial cushion to take a hit.
172 posted on 04/04/2006 8:37:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 170 | View Replies]

To: 1rudeboy; oceanview
. . . for both things to be true, means that EEs are leaving the profession. ~ oceanview

You think they might be . . . retiring? [gasp] ~ 1rudeboy

Some are, but many, like me, have been shoved aside by H1-B's and less expensive recent graduates.

I'm not complaining, in the case of young graduates, the free market is selecting inexpensive recent graduates with theoretically more current education over expensive on the job hard earned skills. Although I have tried very hard to keep current, no one can work full time and stay totally caught up.

Companies select candidates that they perceive provide the best bang for the buck. Usually that's a freshly minted engineer, not a beat up and battle scarred veteran.

H1-B's skew the job market, as the program is misused to keep the US wages depressed.

On paper, H1-B's are supposed to only fill positions Americans can't. In practice, at least here in Silicon Valley, they fill jobs that their US colleagues used to receive 50% higher wages for doing.

The kicker is that once someone has earned a higher wage they become radioactive! No one will consider offering them less, because "they'll leave as soon as a higher paying job comes along"...

173 posted on 04/04/2006 8:46:02 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 159 | View Replies]

To: KAUAIBOUND
I'm already in my Plan B - self-employed in a market with virtually no competition, working as a consulting engineer both locally here in Hawaii and with my old clients in Arizona.

Excellent! I didn't have a Plan B. I love engineering so much that doing anything else just doesn't appeal.

I'm in the process of starting a company with an old boss. If it doesn't go, I'm moving out of the area taking my home equity and becoming a slumlord. *sigh*

174 posted on 04/04/2006 8:51:01 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 162 | View Replies]

To: oceanview

Most high school graduates have no idea what they want to do, so they just go off to college because that's what's expected. There is likely also a built in bias against 'blue collar' folks among teachers. They think kids should be aspiring to professional jobs, except for the 'voke kids' of course. Not everyone is cut out for the professional life, but don't know it until they've spent some time there. Then they start casting around for something else to do.


175 posted on 04/04/2006 8:53:25 PM PDT by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

Comment #176 Removed by Moderator

To: null and void
Yeah. I have no idea what to advise my son to be when he grows up.

Personally, I'm lobbying for an auto mechanic. I'd happily accept plumber too.

177 posted on 04/04/2006 9:11:34 PM PDT by Dianna
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: oceanview
the point is - why go to college for years, take on education loans - to end up being a roofer?

I dunno...maybe to provide food, clothing and shelter for yourself? Life isn't quite as complicated as some people think.

178 posted on 04/04/2006 9:13:12 PM PDT by Dianna
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: OregonRancher
My pharmacist spends 95 percent of his day now filling out insurance papers, and 5 percent on his pharmaceutical work. He's NOT happy about it either.
179 posted on 04/04/2006 9:24:25 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: tamu
I have a PhD in finance and a CFA. I know a lady with an MBA, domestic and international experience, and she speaks fluent Japanese. We've both sent out 200-300 resumes on a nationwide job hunt and have been looking for jobs for 5 months.

Which schools are your PhD and her MBA from? The problem with some degrees (especially MBAs) is that if they're not from top schools in the country, they are only valuable in the local region. I don't know if this is true for PhDs, but I'd be interested in hearing your experience. I'm hoping to go in that direction, and I certainly want to be able to find a job.

180 posted on 04/04/2006 9:40:49 PM PDT by Young Scholar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180181-194 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson