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Blue-collar envy: Skilled trades appeal to underemployed Ph.D.
Computerworld ^ | APRIL 04, 2006 | Elva Angelique Van Devender

Posted on 04/04/2006 9:58:28 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

My husband jokes that I should have been an electrician. In this age of outsourcing and job insecurity, the trades seem to us to be the best professions of the future. To be sure, most aren't glamorous and are often physically demanding. But a number seem to have financial security and stability, and their job portability doesn't hurt, either. Many of us white-collar employees don't get to choose where we will live; we must go wherever our employer requires us. Many folks in the trades can command a good income, choose their own hours, and put down roots in a community and stay as long as they choose. I wish I had this luxury.

Both my husband and I are Ph.D. chemists. I'd once wanted to be an opera singer. I come from a long line of writers and musicians, but I had the (mis)fortune of being good at science. In college, the thinking was that the sciences (and an advanced degree) would guarantee me some sense of employment security. Pursuing opera would subject me to the unemployment line, I thought, at least until my career took off. I could sing on the side, but by making medicines that make people well, I could make a meaningful difference in the world.

I could never have predicted the difficulties that I'd face. I followed my husband from Virginia (where we went to graduate school) to Maine, where my husband found a job, and then to Oregon, where we live now. In Maine, I was out of work for almost a year. I went to four temp agencies before I found one that would place me. I was turned away from administrative-level positions because I didn't have "admin experience." I worked retail and part-time jobs. Eventually, I learned to leave my Ph.D. off my resume, which helped me land my first serious job. It didn't pay well, but at least it was serious.

When we moved to Oregon, where my husband had accepted another job, and I found myself interviewing again. I worked for a biotech company, handling their patents and licenses, but this company didn't care about my expensive chemistry degree. I now work at an advertising agency where I (Shhh!) barely earn above minimum wage. The agency ran an ad for the assistant position I now hold and received 60 applications the next day.

It just doesn't seem right. I was valedictorian of my high-school class of 600, summa cum laude from my university, and graduated with distinction from graduate school. And none of this seems to have made the least bit of difference in helping me to build a career. At age 30, I feel grateful to have a job at all, because there are few in my part of Oregon.

My situation is hardly unique. My husband and I know plenty of people with advanced degrees (Ph.D., MS, J.D., and MBA) who have had this problem. In many cases, it's the "two-body problem," where both spouses hold advanced degrees. For some, it's because they choose to live in smaller cities, where opportunity is limited. But often it seems as if the job market isn't able to absorb all the advanced-degree holders at the pace colleges and universities are churning them out. Where are all these people going to work?

I am planning to go back to school this fall. Another doctorate. I have decided to make use of my Ph.D. in medicinal chemistry and become a pharmacist. I still dream of being able to make my own destiny, to carve my own path. A person of some intelligence who worked hard and had the right attitude used to be able to do that. Right now, my Ph.D. and $3.65 gets me a Cinnamon Dolce Latte at Starbucks, and not much more.

My dad often used to say, "Life does not reward us for efforts expended." I have learned the hard way that there are no guarantees in life, and that you can have all the determination in the world, and sometimes the opportunities just aren't there.

In this new world order, where jobs of every stripe are outsourced, and job security or opportunity can be a scarce commodity, one could do a lot worse than to be a electrician.


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To: Toddsterpatriot; neutrino

Best keep it simple. He doesn't get it otherwise.


141 posted on 04/04/2006 4:25:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: stainlessbanner
Best decision I ever made was to go to a 10 month Technical School for Electronics/Computer Technology after my discharge from the Marines as opposed to the 4-year college I was planning. This was in 1985. Instead of paying $60,000 (or more), I paid only $8,500, most of it paid up front with the VEAP money I earned in the military. Just a little more than halfway through the school, I was recruited for a fulltime job and had to finish the rest of my school at night. That was 20 years ago and it's been all uphill since and not a single day of unemployment.

I won't go so far as to say that college is a waste of money but you sure don't need it if all you want is to make a decent living. Just learn a trade, work hard and you'll be fine.

142 posted on 04/04/2006 4:27:35 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Need a tree census in Maine)
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To: 1rudeboy

Corvallis is also home to Oregon State University.

My guess is her husband's last job was in Orono, Maine (home of U of Maine).


143 posted on 04/04/2006 4:28:49 PM PDT by Betis70 (zoom zoom)
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To: neutrino
And your pet phrase is "higher prices to consumers".

Nope, I've never used that one; nor do I intend to.

You may not have used the phrase, but you do favor higher prices for American consumers. Reminds me of the late Willie Green.

144 posted on 04/04/2006 4:32:17 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: 1rudeboy
So the death of a typical soldier is that much more tragic because Dr. Elva Angelique Van Devender can't find herself a job in Corvallis, Oregon? Or is my heartlessness toward her individual plight what makes that soldier's death tragic?

My, what an odd question! The logic of your posting escapes me.

145 posted on 04/04/2006 4:33:15 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy
but you do favor higher prices for American consumers.

Ahh, but what price do we pay for free traitin'? I think that to be a high price indeed!

Much better post, by the way. Do give 1rudeboy my regards.

146 posted on 04/04/2006 4:35:48 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: neutrino
Ahh, but what price do we pay for free traitin'? I think that to be a high price indeed!

And what price would that be? Can you measure it? Maybe Pat Buchanan and Paul Craig Roberts can help you out?

147 posted on 04/04/2006 4:37:51 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; neutrino
Apparently, our friend neutrino has a short memory span:

To: Lurker
Once upon a time, there was a fellow who gave up economic advantage because he cared about his country. Here's his picture.

But the rest of us can't be bothered to pay a few dollars extra for consumer goods.

So, when do you think the Pat Tillmans of the world will see that the only thing that matters is lower prices to consumers?

In the world to come, explain that to him. I'd like to hear what you say.

35 posted on 03/25/2006 10:38:14 PM CST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))

148 posted on 04/04/2006 4:39:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Best keep it simple. He doesn't get it otherwise.

You give him too much credit. Even when it's simple, he doesn't get it.

149 posted on 04/04/2006 4:39:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: stainlessbanner
I was going to read this but then I saw her name.

 

150 posted on 04/04/2006 4:43:25 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (The MSM is a hate group and we are the object of their disdain.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; neutrino
Here's some relevant neutrino:

1. "Nope, I've never used [the phrase is 'higher prices to consumers']; nor do I intend to."
2. "But the rest of us can't be bothered to pay a few dollars extra for consumer goods."

151 posted on 04/04/2006 4:43:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Thank you for making my points for me!

Keep up the good work!

152 posted on 04/04/2006 4:49:39 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: sageb1
"My son has a PhD and is a Director of Technology, BUT he is also a carpenter and a mason."

My son has a PhD in physics. I advised him to get a job in the defense industry, he did in the LA area. He's still at Northrup-Grumman but is making more money 'flipping' houses on the side.

153 posted on 04/04/2006 4:55:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: neutrino
Give up. You're not willing to admit you have a point.
If you wish, detail just one below, and I'll knock it out of the park.
154 posted on 04/04/2006 4:59:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; neutrino

Maybe neutrino can explain how paying a few extra dollars for consumer goods would have saved Pat Tillman?


155 posted on 04/04/2006 5:01:33 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

More like explain how Corporal Tillman died in vain because you and I are unwilling to pay more for Cheetos?


156 posted on 04/04/2006 5:05:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Potowmack

for another example, consider total employment for EEs - the actual number of them employed - is falling:

http://www.todaysengineer.org/2005/Sep/pulse.asp

the unemployment rate amongst them is also falling - which leads to the simple conclusion - for both things to be true, means that EEs are leaving the profession.


157 posted on 04/04/2006 5:07:51 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: blam

smart move - defense industries are one of the few safe places left.


158 posted on 04/04/2006 5:09:27 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
. . . for both things to be true, means that EEs are leaving the profession.

You think they might be . . . retiring? [gasp]

159 posted on 04/04/2006 5:17:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

why aren't retirees replaced with new US based employees then? woudln't that keep the number employed the same?

those positions are simply gone. not replaced, or more likely - replaced with an offshore person.


160 posted on 04/04/2006 5:26:13 PM PDT by oceanview
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