The Most Important Fact Congress and Illegal Advocates Have Overlooked, Or Ignored

Various | 4/1/06 | Technomage

[technomage]

The latest attempt at immigration reform which is being pushed by Congress and the President, is ignoring one extremely important point and putting all of our lives at risk.

Before I get to that point:

For the sake of argument, I will not mention the costs that illegal immigration puts on all local and state governments through Welfare, our Health Care system, our school systems, etc. That will continually be debated.

I will also skim over the somewhat hidden problem of criminals coming into this country. According to the General Accounting Office (the investigative arm of Congress), at the end of the year 2004, there were 49,000 illegal aliens in federal prisons. 49,000 illegals that commited serious crimes in our country after crossing the border. This is data that cannot be debated as these are facts as reported by the GAO.

Now, Congress and open border proponents seem to accept this as a small price to pay. After all, 49,000 as compared to 12 million illegals is a very small percentage. At least that is the argument I have heard from some far left liberals I know. Well, you tell the tens of thousands of families in this country how their family member being murdered by an illegal is a small price to pay. You tell the families of daughters, wives, nieces, aunts that have been brutally raped by illegals that it is a small price to pay for helping so many improve their lives.

Sorry, but losing hundreds of lives to murder, putting thousands of others through lifelong torment because they were raped, or beaten in an aggravated assault or robbery is not a small price to pay for the families and individuals victimized.

But, the illegal proponents, the open border proponents, the Congress and the President (yup, I said it) seem to think this is a small price. In fact, I have heard ludicrous arguments like: We have thousands of murders in this country every year by citizens. What an infantile argument. Yes, we do. But the thousands of attacks, rapes, murders, robberies perpetrated by illegals affect the victims just as badly as if citizens did it and the vast majority COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED with very strict border control.

And I am not even mentioning the cost of incarnerating these illegals, which runs about 6-8 billion dollars a year!!

However, as bad as this is, that is not my main point. There is yet another problem with illegals crossing our border that has the potential to dwarf the problems listed above.

The even bigger problem is with OTM's. Not familiar with that term? OTM's is a term the US Border Patrol uses. It stands for Other Than Mexican's. OTM's are those illegals apprehended by the BP that are not from Mexico.

According to the US Border Patrol (USBP) the number of illegals apprehended in the fiscal year 2005 was 1.2 MILLION. This is how many were apprehended. The USBP estimates they apprehend about 1 in 4 illegals crossing the border, but many think that the number is closer to 1 in 10. Still, let us take the smaller number: The USBP catches 1 illegal for every four that come through. That means in fiscal 2005, at least 3.6 MILLION illegals were able to enter our country.

Now, of these numbers, 7% are OTM's (again, according to GAO statistics).

This is from the Congressional Research Service (CRS) Report For Congress entitled:
Border Security: "Apprehensions of "Other Than Mexican" Aliens
September 22, 2005
http://www.mipt.org/pdf/CRS_RL33097.pdf

The number of OTM apprehensions remained relatively stable from 1998 to 2002, averaging almost 37,000 a year over the six-year time period. Apprehensions increased by 33% from FY2002 to FY2003, and 52% from FY2003 to FY2004. Roughly three-quarters of the way into FY2005, OTM apprehensions have increased by 58% from FY2004. Indeed, over the last three years OTM apprehensions have more than tripled, increasing by almost 220%. This trend is in stark contrast to apprehensions of Mexican aliens, which have remained relatively stable over the same period.

Here is a breakdown of the top 25 OTM nationalities:

Country: FY2002, FY2003, FY2004, FY2005 (through July 11), %Change FY02-FY05
Honduras: 9316, 14491, 24420, 36118, 288%
Brazil: 3100, 5240, 8859, 27396, 784%
El Salvador: 7036, 9602, 16974, 27317, 288%
Guatemala: 6021, 7728, 11628, 14866, 147%
Nicaragua: 581, 765, 1460, 2498, 330%
Cuba: 1541, 1303, 1406, 2144, 39%
China: 688, 576, 1096, 1653, 140%
Ecuador: 664, 521, 679, 989, 49%
Dominican Republic: 1183, 2057, 2023, 969, -18%
Costa Rica: 233, 382, 450, 700, 200%
Canada: 1836, 1611, 1497, 697, -62%
Peru: 312, 366, 370, 388, 24%
Colombia: 347, 368, 335, 308, -11%
India: 345, 316, 378, 235, -32%
Jamaica: 287, 269, 215, 162, -44%
Bolivia: 48, 59, 140, 161, 235%
Albania: 167, 115, 117, 155, -7%
Argentina: 207, 252, 168, 138, -33%
Haiti: 295, 324, 165, 131, -56%
Poland: 228, 205, 231, 122, -46%
Romania 42, 58, 85, 103, 145%
South Korea: 143, 218, 161, 98, -31%
Pakistan: 167, 228, 164, 91, -46%
Venezuela: 69, 126, 132, 88, 28%
Israel: 103, 109, 91, 68, -34%
Source: CRS Analysis of CBP Data.

I show you these statistics to try and give you a perspective on the sheer size of the problem along our border.

The USBP also has another designation for certain illegals that are apprehended. This is: Special Interest OTM Apprehensions. Basically these are people apprehended that are from 35 countries designated by our intelligence community as countries known to support, harbor or export terrorism. I have yet to find the official list of exactly which countries these are but I am sure it is available somewhere.

Here are the latest stats on these Special Interest OTM's:
Year, # of SIOTM's Apprehended
1997, 729
1998, 721
1999, 736
2000, 676
2001, 766
2002, 849
2003, 807
2004, 626

Remember, this is the number of persons apprehended attempting to cross our border illegally that are from countries KNOWN to support, harbor or sponsor terrorism. How many others were not caught? Well, again using USBP numbers of 1 in 4 caught: The total above is: 5,910. This means that possibly as many as 24,000 illegals from countries that sponsor or support terrorism made it in!

Again, these are all government figures easily found on government web sites. These are FACTS, not theories, guesses, etc., but FACTS. And these are FACTS that the US Congress knows, or should know, as these are reported by the Congressional Research Service.

When I tell liberal 'friends' these numbers, they always give the same response:

Those numbers are so small compared to the overall numbers of illegals that they are insignificant.

Insignificant? It only took 19 terrorists to kill 3,000 Americans!! Look at the numbers again! Those are the ones that were CAPTURED. And, as the USBP tells us, they catch only about 1 in 4.

This is where the Congress, the President, the groups that advocate an open border are putting the lives of all Americans at risk. No, wait: They are putting the lives of all PEOPLE in this country, legal or illegal, at risk. The Congress is doing it merely for votes. The President is doing it because he is a globalist and does not believe in secure borders. The advocacy groups are doing it for purely selfish reasons.

When the next terrorist strike occurs, be it a nuke, chemical weapons, or something as simple as a truck bomb at a mall or sporting event, those killed will not be only legal Americans. Those killed will not be only White. Those killed will not be only Conservatives, straight, religious. This attack will kill anyone in its path, including liberals, illegals, whites, blacks, hispanics, gays, straights, ANYONE!

When this happens, and it is proven that the terrorists came across the border, we can blame Congressional members for the deaths. When this happens, we can blame those selfish, egotistical groups that pushed for open borders and no controls on immigration.

But, I fear, this will not be the worst. Yes, more Americans killed as a result of terrorism would be terrible. But the aftermath may be even worse. What would happen here in the USA could be similar to an internal war.

The saddest thing about all this is that the leaders of the greatest, strongest country in the world did not do their most basic, fundamental job: Protect the country, protect our borders.

Maybe 99.9% of all illegals are good, moral, decent, hard working people. As we know, or should know, from experience, it only takes a handful of terrorists to kill thousands. It only takes a handful of terrorists to bring the world economy to its knees.

As much as I am against amnesty and people crossing our borders illegally to work, I am much more fearful of another terrorist attack. Done right, it could not only kill hundreds or thousands, but it could bring our economy to it's knees. And when that happens, legals and illegals alike will lose their jobs and their incomes.

Congress, the President and the illegal advocates seem to think that these are good odds and are playing with OUR lives to prove it. If they are wrong, the backlash will be dramatic.

Technomage - Proud Free Republic Member, Proud Conservative Legal American

[Smokin' Joe]

Six months out of the year, you can't swim many of the rivers on the Canadian Border, you have to ice skate...The weather reduces infiltration quite a bit, at least east of the Rockies and west of Lake Superior..

[Savage Land]

Another advantage is the fact that we don't have millions of Canadians illegally slipping across the border acting as camouflage

So true. Canada is a non issue when it comes to our Southern Border.

Canadians are closer to our Culture than most Mexicans. Not meant as a racists statement..just a true one.

[hosepipe]

I think you have missed, gone by, ignored, obscured, the single most important fact out of all this insurgent problem..
Why is that?.. Anyway that problem IS.. the insurgents are now are will become democrats.. This reason eclipses all others.. Not that the other facts are not important its just they are MUCH LESS important..

AND since ID is very easy to get (on the street) registering to vote (in almost all states) is very easy.. And if you can get 500,000 (more or less illegals)to come out for a mere rally in L.A... What happens during an election, you know, something that really impacts government policy and largess..

The republican party is oblivious.. actually oblivious..
The democrats KNOW the writing is on the wall.. One question is WHY would the republican party SAVE the democrat party?.. Which is exactly what is happening.. And with muted outrage.. from those UNoblivious..which are few.. The gross denial is obscene..

[TheLion]

We could have had educated healthy immigrants from all over the world, now we are being overrun by ones with a 4th grade education who are bringing crime and deseases.

This is exactly what Democrats want. These people will swell their voting block.

[TheLion]

Ping!

[Savage Land]

"...which tells me that it was no doubt government money and commies that were being sent here...."

This has been going on for a long time. So long in fact, that no one recognizes it.

Until now. The mexicans are overt in their desire to bring this Nation down.

And when they do..when we are third world..and the third world is happy and pleased with themselves..God help our descendants.

[EverOnward]

bump -- good job!

[dljordan]

"Let me say again that in no way am I racist, nor am I against persons of other nationalities entering America."

The very fact that we are continually having to assert that we are not racist's or xenophobes means that we are on the cultural defensive. They are framing the debate in a fashion we cannot win. Of course some of us offensive nationalists don't really care.

[cripplecreek]

I really do wish that Mexico had a relatively honest government so the economy could be brought to 1st world standards. We wouldn't even be having this debate if Mexico weren't a sewer for the people who live there.

[dljordan]

"We need to streamline the legal immigration process and kick the anarchists out."

No we don't. Since Kennedy's immigration reform in the 70's we're getting over a million legals a year. When does it stop? Do we need a billion people in America? Do you want your children to live in a third world tower of Babel?

[technomage]

Anyway that problem IS.. the insurgents are now are will become democrats

I am sorry, but that just is not the most important reason to secure the border, whether they become Repubicans or Democrats.

This is not a Republican/Democrat issue. This is a life and death issue.

By leaving our borders wide open we have criminals coming in that are murdering, raping, robbing thousands. But, we also have terrorists coming in that could possibly set off one or numerous attacks all over this country. That would bring our economy to a screaching halt, possibly cause vigilantes to proliferate, etc.

No my friend, I must differ. The most important thing right now is protection of the citizens of this country and its borders from terrorists and foriegn criminals.

If we have a terror attack or numerous ones, it will make no difference if you are Democrat or Republican. If you are in the terror zone, you will be dead or injured.

[technomage]

bump -- good job!

Thank you. I only hope this opens some peoples eyes.

[Savage Land]

Absolutely!

I have no problem helping Mexico help itself. Why does no one suggest that? I wonder....

[HiJinx]

Terrorist Ping!

The President is doing it because he is a globalist and does not believe in secure borders.

Sad that the globalists have put such a low price on the lives of your sons and daughters, your wives and sisters, my beautiful grand-daughter.

How dare they.

OBTW, that list of coutries from which SIOTMs come includes Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Libya, and Chechnya. If you (that's general, not you specifically) don't think they're here, then you're either ignorant or stupid. One condition is curable, the other will follow you to your grave.

You know what, maybe that is a specific you. Specifically aimed at all the people on FR who are constantly berating those of us who are against illegal immigration and for secure borders, those few who are absolutely ecstatic when FReeper like Travis McGee are suspended. Yeah, I'm talking to you. You know who you are. Face it...I don't like any of you very much.

[Savage Land]

you want your children to live in a third world tower of Babel?

We dont want that. But, if we dont do something that is JUST what will happen.

Thank God I am old and have no children. What Will Happen..sickens me.

The way to stop it? Well, like Bill O'Reilly says..a civil war is brewing.

[monkeywrench]

No. I was basically telling common tater that there's no need to try to justify the presense of illegals when there are so many legals that could replace them, if needed. There is no justification for legalizing illegals.

[HiJinx]

Now you've done it...you have gone and posted facts. Cold, hard facts.

Prepare to be personally insulted as posters will call you a liar, racist and whatever else they can think of while ignoring the facts.

Well, if they do, feel free to use what I posted in #54 on them. Two conditions, black or white, they get to choose which.

[blackie]

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!

[Savage Land]

If you are in the terror zone, you will be dead or injured.

. . .protecting those who beleive the propaganda...

[HiJinx]

(even though the unions have been supporting the proposed amnesty).

Excuse me...didn't the AFL-CIO just come out condemning the amnesty/'guest worker' program? I'm sure I pinged that article two or three days ago...