Posted on 03/31/2006 4:42:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne
Illegal immigration is recognized by many U.S. Citizens to be a threat to our nation. It's is a balkanizing process. It disrupts communities. It places financial strain on regions of our nation. It costs our nation tens of billions of dollars a year, if not hundreds. It is destroying our health care system. It disrupts the education system financially and in the teaching process due to language problems. It can place English speaking children at a disadvantage, in that spanish children receive elevated resources while English speaking kids take a back seat in the early years. There are problems of serious crime, multiple identities and recidivism.
These are serious issues, but let's ignore them. Remember, the apologists for illegal immigrants do it all the time. For once lets join them. (temporarily)
Right now lets spend a few moments exploring the number one rationalization for allowing the United States to be invaded and over-run by another nation's populace.
And what is that rationalization? Well of course, it's the "fact" that Mexicans only want a chance to earn a living for their families.
Think about that for a moment. You and I are being asked to allow our nation to be over-run, our language replaced, our neighbor's job and possibly your own given to a foreign national. We are being asked to pay their children's education. We are being asked to give them free health care. We are being asked to accept hospitals having to reduce services across the board, in order to recoup the expenditures for which hospitals are not reimbursed. Not only do you pay for illegal aliens health care, your own is being savaged in the process. You may not think so. That's okay. It is. All of this is asked, or more accurately demanded of you and I. We have very little choice.
I have never read an article about starvation in Mexico. I have never read of children being taken to mass orphanages because parents couldn't support them. I have never seen expansive stories about homelessness. Although Tijuana's cardboard city is legendary, people seem to be able to survive over there. I don't like the fact that Mexico's government allows this, but I am powerless to do anything about it. Trashing my own nation is not an option as far as I am concerned.
Look, I don't like homeless people on the streets of Los Angeles, but I'm not going to invite ten of them into my house to fix it. The United States is your and my house.
What I see is a massive number of people who wanted to live a better life, and decided to take that life from us. As your tax dollars go to pay for these people, that is exactly what is happening. They are taking from us. Lets be clear about this. These folks were not dying. They were not in danger of losing their family. They were not in danger of starving. What we are talking about, is a bunch of people who wanted a better life. That's it. That's all it amounted to.
How about you folks? It's all relative. I mean you're not dying. You're not in danger of losing your family. You're not in danger of starving. What we are talking about here is a better life. Do you want a better life? That's it. That's all we're talking about here.
Under the current policy of the United States, foreign nationals are entitled to a better life. Unless we're a racist nation, U.S. Citizens should be entitled to a better life also. As we have seen, breaking laws is an approved method of achieving a better life. It's okay for people to break into our nation. People can work in violation of U.S. laws. People are entitled to free health care for their whole family, and all children are entitled to a free education. That this can be achieved is proof positive that crime does pay, and all it takes to justify this is that you want a better life for you and your family.
This is rather liberating. I've wanted a new home for quite some time. Tomorrow morning I can go outside, take one look at the beautiful day, get in my car and go shopping. By tomorrow evening I'll have picked out a great new house, where I plan to move in. I'll pack up and move in on the following day. The next day I'll pick out a new car on the local dealer's lot and demand the keys. If I show up at the door, they'll have to serve me. Our current health care polices for illegal immigrants have proven that.
If I want more income, I'll just go to the local bank and have one of my kids walk up to the teller and demand $100,000. After all, the children of illegal immigrants are given a $100,000 education for free. When that runs out, I make certain to have had another kid who can walk up to the teller.
You know, this illegal immigration thing is looking better all the time. I take that headline back. I think it's the obstructionists like myself who have been depantsed. Who could argue against what the apologists for illegal immigrant have been backing for decades. I think they may be on the right track after all.
Hey folks, there's going to be a party at my new home on the 17th, I'll post the address, date and time later so all my friends with new homes, new cars and lots of cash can drop by.
U.S. flags optional of course...
We southern Californians are the country's mine canaries. I'd listen to us. We are not racists. We are not selfish. Listen to us. We are the wound of America and it's getting necrotic.
You and I both recognize the need to support Bush where we can. What I'd like to see is him support us where he can.
This invasion from the south is simply an undeclared war. Our nation is being occupied and you and I are financing it, through the force of our federal government.
It HAS to end. Thank you for the comments.
Together with some state and municipal collaborators.
Illegal aliens...
5 to 10% of California's populace...
50% of Los Angeles county jail inmates...
27% of the federal prison population in California...
Spin all you want Ben. You are the James Carville, Lanny Davis and Ann Lewis of illegal immigration appologists.
It's revolting Ben.
If every Mexican that wanted to be a guest worker were allowed to enter our nation, millions would burst into our nation. You call that a fix? What planet do you live on Ben? It sure isn't one in our quadrent of the galaxy.
Agreed...
There is no de facto legal. It's really black and white. You are in the country legally, as a citizen, legal resident, or tourist. Otherwise you are not. The employers who in your mind confer that "de facto legality" are actually criminal. It is against the law to employ illegals. However, it is not enforced.
Prostitutes turning tricks in Hollywood alleyways are not de facto performing legal services. A guy going 80 down the freeway is not de facto obeying the law. My U-turn on a boulevard was not de facto legal and if a cop had asked me, I sure could not have gone far with the argument saying that "everyone does it."
Only because the American media has not deemed this worthy. Your premise and supposition is sound. A visit to Texas may be in order. Or not, depending on whether there is a conviction regarding "reality". It may be ugly and harsh, or it may be whatever is due to others. Basic humanity and compassion are a factor. With the exception of the "machine-gun them all and let a higher authority sort them out" crowd. Yet even they have an open forum to foment violence and death. Believe that there is no corruption or servitude in Mexico. You will feel good.
His visa cleared after his death. So what?
Ben was saying that illegal immigrants are de facto legal because someone would hire them and no one is enforcing our immigration and hiring laws. Thus Mohamed Atta, who didn't even need a job and did contribute to our economy until he got on the plane, would be under Ben's argument a de facto legal American.
Then they should be easy to discredit. Let us hear your attempt to refute some of them.
Remember, the people of California voted to withhold all these socialist handouts you mention from illegal aliens. A single liberal activist judge overruled the will of the people. And a liberal governor (now recalled) refused to appeal the ruling. Liberals don't need law. All they need are judges.
Slay the Beast.
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B. What problems would creating yet another new, unworkable, unrealistic bracero program solve?
The "problem" of decent wages?
The "problem" of undertaxed, underutilized health clinics, public schools, and police departments?
The "problem" of too much innovation and creativity in the domestic agriculture industry?
Where the F--- is Baxter County Arkansas? Better yet, who cares? If you want stats, all you have to do is use a search engine. Here's a 3 for 1 special I found on NRO.com:
In Los Angeles, 95 percent of the outstanding murder warrants are for illegal aliens, as are perhaps two-thirds of the 17,000 outstanding felony warrants.
Southern California's largest Hispanic street gang, 18th Street, has some 20,000 members, roughly 60 percent of whom are illegal aliens. (The LAPD and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, by comparison, have a combined strength of about 17,000 officers.)
In 2000, nearly 30 percent of federal prisoners were foreign-born.
It proves what I have been saying: Illegal aliens are committing the crimes Americans are quite capable of committing on their own, thank you very much!!!
This not meant as a put down, but I found your comments somewhat cryptic. At one point you stated that my premise was sound, but then suggested I visit Texas to see reality, if I understood your point.
As for a conviction regarding reality, let me ask you this. Is our nation, something like 5% of the worlds populace supposed be responsible for everyone on the planet? Where does it end?
Will converting this nation into a pseudo Mexican territory resolve the problems in Mexico? No. It won't. What would?
Sitting Vincinte Fox down and telling him he either gets his act together and betters the plight of his people, or we will put his house in order for him, would be a good start. People won't like me saying that, but until Mexico gets it's house in order, it's citizens are going to suffer. Our nation is going to suffer. Mexico has enough wealth to clean up it's act. It just won't. It demands that we do instead. Bull s--t!
Now when you veer off into the comments about the "Machine gune them all and let a higher authority sort them out crowd" you lost me. I have never advocated such an act and find the suggestion reprehensible. I have never said that there is no corruption in Mexico or made any comment about servitude. So why would I feel good? I am well aware of the plight of the Mexican people. Whose fault is that plight? Mine? Yours? Our nations? No, no and no.
Your pipe dream reminds me of the man who was so busy helping the homeless, that he didn't notice that his lawn as waist high. His home was in serious need of repair. And unbeknownst to him, his wife and children had moved out months before, and he hadn't been home to notice.
We have a home. That home must not be destroyed or we will be unable to help anyone. The citizens of the United States donate more money to charity than any other nation on earth. It may be that we donate more than the rest of the world combined. Despite this there is a certain group of people out there who damn us for not doing more. No matter how deep we dig, no matter how many people's bacon we pull out of the fire, we're still trashed for being too materialistic.
You know what, I'm tired of listening to people wax on about what we do or do not need to do. We do plenty. I'm not into sacrificing our nation on your alter to poverty or anyone elses.
Thanks for the comments Jim. I'll respond in the morning.
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