Posted on 03/31/2006 4:42:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne
Illegal immigration is recognized by many U.S. Citizens to be a threat to our nation. It's is a balkanizing process. It disrupts communities. It places financial strain on regions of our nation. It costs our nation tens of billions of dollars a year, if not hundreds. It is destroying our health care system. It disrupts the education system financially and in the teaching process due to language problems. It can place English speaking children at a disadvantage, in that spanish children receive elevated resources while English speaking kids take a back seat in the early years. There are problems of serious crime, multiple identities and recidivism.
These are serious issues, but let's ignore them. Remember, the apologists for illegal immigrants do it all the time. For once lets join them. (temporarily)
Right now lets spend a few moments exploring the number one rationalization for allowing the United States to be invaded and over-run by another nation's populace.
And what is that rationalization? Well of course, it's the "fact" that Mexicans only want a chance to earn a living for their families.
Think about that for a moment. You and I are being asked to allow our nation to be over-run, our language replaced, our neighbor's job and possibly your own given to a foreign national. We are being asked to pay their children's education. We are being asked to give them free health care. We are being asked to accept hospitals having to reduce services across the board, in order to recoup the expenditures for which hospitals are not reimbursed. Not only do you pay for illegal aliens health care, your own is being savaged in the process. You may not think so. That's okay. It is. All of this is asked, or more accurately demanded of you and I. We have very little choice.
I have never read an article about starvation in Mexico. I have never read of children being taken to mass orphanages because parents couldn't support them. I have never seen expansive stories about homelessness. Although Tijuana's cardboard city is legendary, people seem to be able to survive over there. I don't like the fact that Mexico's government allows this, but I am powerless to do anything about it. Trashing my own nation is not an option as far as I am concerned.
Look, I don't like homeless people on the streets of Los Angeles, but I'm not going to invite ten of them into my house to fix it. The United States is your and my house.
What I see is a massive number of people who wanted to live a better life, and decided to take that life from us. As your tax dollars go to pay for these people, that is exactly what is happening. They are taking from us. Lets be clear about this. These folks were not dying. They were not in danger of losing their family. They were not in danger of starving. What we are talking about, is a bunch of people who wanted a better life. That's it. That's all it amounted to.
How about you folks? It's all relative. I mean you're not dying. You're not in danger of losing your family. You're not in danger of starving. What we are talking about here is a better life. Do you want a better life? That's it. That's all we're talking about here.
Under the current policy of the United States, foreign nationals are entitled to a better life. Unless we're a racist nation, U.S. Citizens should be entitled to a better life also. As we have seen, breaking laws is an approved method of achieving a better life. It's okay for people to break into our nation. People can work in violation of U.S. laws. People are entitled to free health care for their whole family, and all children are entitled to a free education. That this can be achieved is proof positive that crime does pay, and all it takes to justify this is that you want a better life for you and your family.
This is rather liberating. I've wanted a new home for quite some time. Tomorrow morning I can go outside, take one look at the beautiful day, get in my car and go shopping. By tomorrow evening I'll have picked out a great new house, where I plan to move in. I'll pack up and move in on the following day. The next day I'll pick out a new car on the local dealer's lot and demand the keys. If I show up at the door, they'll have to serve me. Our current health care polices for illegal immigrants have proven that.
If I want more income, I'll just go to the local bank and have one of my kids walk up to the teller and demand $100,000. After all, the children of illegal immigrants are given a $100,000 education for free. When that runs out, I make certain to have had another kid who can walk up to the teller.
You know, this illegal immigration thing is looking better all the time. I take that headline back. I think it's the obstructionists like myself who have been depantsed. Who could argue against what the apologists for illegal immigrant have been backing for decades. I think they may be on the right track after all.
Hey folks, there's going to be a party at my new home on the 17th, I'll post the address, date and time later so all my friends with new homes, new cars and lots of cash can drop by.
U.S. flags optional of course...
Great post.
The very fact that this even has to be discussed, debated and defended, speaks volumes about the decayed sate of our Republic.
You are the one who should engage with some facts to counter this post if you have them. All you have done is make snide, insulting remarks and haven't offered one constructive comment to this post. If the best you can do is insult and call names then I would say that you have no counters to this post and so resort to name calling and insults, a favorite tactic of the liberals.
I had to sit down and take lots of deep breaths just to keep from calling a real estate agent and putting the house on the market.
OK, let's talk about crime. The Dept of Justice contradicts you and VDare. You don't even know what crime stats are. Whatever you do, don't go to Baxter County, Arkansas because 100% of the crime is committed by white people. Do you comprende the concept of "per 1000 of population". No, you don't. Nor are you able to differentiate between the hispanic crime rate and the drug crime rate.
What's goin' on. I can't get it to stream.
I walked away from KFI. For now. This is a bunch of liberal talking points and I'm going crazy.
It's really strange to me that you can't comprehend a few facts.
I have sat in on committees where we discused ways to combat our losses to indigent patients. Do you know what an indigent patient is?
Oh Department of Justice my ass... btw, are you incapable of addressing this issue without calling me a racist in each post?
Let's cut to the chase. Here's where the rubber meets the road Ben.
If the laws of our nation had been enforced, how many murders would have been committed by illegal-immigrants this last year?
Answer that same question for rapes, molestations, assaults, roberies, home invasions and a myriad of other crimes perped by illegal immigrants. I know you don't want to but do it anyway.
The fact is, the numbers for these crimes committed by illegal immigrants would have been zero across the board if our laws had been enforced.
Now, are you capable of understanding this or are you going to quote some meaningless stats that completely ignore this reality?
This isn't a matter of color. It's a matter of hard cold facts. Illegal immigrants are ravaging your fellow citizens. Do you care?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Btw, good post. ;^)
Great points in there, but you know unless you embrace every illegal immigrant and take them water in the desert as they break into our country then you are nothing but a dirty dirty racist!
WELCOME TO THE CLUB!
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Have you heard a single substantive argument in favor of this monstrous piece of legislation?
Have you heard one logical reason to support importing and legalizing 12-20 million more illiterate or semi-literate, unskilled, third world illegal aliens?
This is based upon pure emotion.
There is no rhyme or reason to the drive to erase our borders.
None whatsoever.
Lay off the Dumborol.. its blinded you..
Please Lord, let it be that Dubya is just selling us out to the globalists, no war please!
Right now I vote for candidates based on their stance on only two issues: gun control and immigration. They have to be "right" on both. Luckily for me, I live in a red state and in a congressional district that has a Congressman who is right on both. One senator is right on both; the other is so wobbly on almost all issues that I don't bother to vote for him.
Again, thanks for a good summary of the problems that face us. I never thought that our country would be facing this situation. It kind of snuck up on us, didn't it?
Thanks for the comments. I'm sure we agree on the answers to those questions. It's a sad time in our nation's history.
People are finally waking from their extended torpor.
The rabble might have the streets today, but that's all they'll be able to lay claim to.
Once Republican voters express their views on our traitorous so-called representatives there's going to be a lot of buyer's remorse, believe me.
But, along the way, something else developed. It was found that there were significant number of people who didn't seek out the information on the internet. Instead, these people were congregating at websites that told them what they wanted to hear. Free Republic is such a website.
In the realm of immigration, legal and illegal, you can find a complete set a facts at Free Republic. But there is also another complete set of facts, available on the internet, that completely contradicts the facts as they are known and accepted at FR. In a sense there is a dual reality.
I have pointed out, in my above replies, other sources of facts that contradict your facts. It is important to realize that this is not an isuues of my fact versus your facts. It is a an issue of what facts do those who create legislation, regulation, policy, etc use.
It is very common to find posters at FR who are mystified that, given the facts as they are known at FR, that their elected officials would do as they do. It never occurs to them that there is another set of more credible source of facts out there. It has never occured to you that there is another set of more credible facts out there.
Instead, you will continue to think that "they" are trying to destoy America.
I agree with your sentiments on voting for people who are at least solid on points important to you.
Frankly, I wrestle with this issue. As voters we're being played like a violyn. Our leaders seem to think it's okay to do despicable things on one issue, thinking we'll always be there to avoid Hillary or some other idiot. I'm so tired of the triangulation game. The Third-Way idiots have pushed me to the point that I have morphed the term triangulation to (s)triangulation. They have finally pushed most of us to the point that we feel almost strangled, just enough strength left to vote to avoid something, never for something.
I have come so close to declaring that I will never vote for a Republican again. This after voting for nothing but for thirty years. I am as disgusted as I can possibly be at the state and federal levels. God forgive me, but I think it would do the Republican party good to get zero votes for just one election cycle. "ZERO"
Yes, I know, we would give power to the Democrats. And yes I know, that would be screwed. You know what, at least I'd be screwed by folks who are my sworn enemies, and not my own side stabbing me in the back over and over and over and over again.
Well, I feel better now... time to take my medication.
LOL, you take care.
BTW, Illegal immigration has been on my radar since 1986. Here we go again, with ALL the exact SAME PROMISES. We'll let them in, then gain control of the border. Like I'm ever going to fall for that one again.
Ben, I agree with much of what you said. There is indoubtedly a dynamic like that at play. Yes, there are facts out there, and yes those facts can be used to support what we want to.
Ben, is it against the law for foreign nationals to cross over our border and swarm into our nation?
Is it against the law for them to work here?
Is it against the law for our businesses to employ them?
Is it costing us untold billions to provide healthcare to these people?
Is it costing us untold billions to educate their children?
You know what the answers to these questions are. You know that you don't have a leg to stand on, when it comes to defending what has taken place.
I appreciate the fact that you say there are reports out there that paint a nice picture, one more favorable to what you would like to see take place. Ben, you know as well as I do that no matter what it paints, it is against the law.
In the end, the support for illegality winds up in the same category as a thirteen year old child trying to justify doing something they were not allowed to do.
As adults, we have to accept that there are laws, and abide by them. No amount of rationalizing, can change what the core facts are.
Thanks for the comments Ben. I wish we could agree on this one. Take care.
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