Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
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Legal immigrants, good (for the most part).
Illegal immigrants, bad (always).
Not very profound I know, but we are a society of laws, not men. To flout the law while two good friends of mine (one from Colombia, the other from Panama) are being put through HELL by ICE is a slap in the face to every American and legal non-citizen.
IF you worked for the IRs as you said that you did, you know just how impossible claiming payments you made under a fictitious name or with a stolen SS card would be.
That's never been the question
The question is why has the goverment been basically silent on this?
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90% do not educate their children and assimilate them as Americans, when given the opportunity to do so for free
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To be fair, I believe a large portion of illegal immigration is made up of single, childless males.
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What do the other 90% do with their kids?
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See #494
Nice comments.
Yours was post #485
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I remember when the GOP once had an electoral lock on the Presidency because of California. That's now gone. You cannot p!$$ off an entire large block of the electorate and expect to go on winning elections. This is politics 101. President Bush did better in 2004 than 2000 because of the Hispanic vote. Now you people are threatening to destroy all that. And if you do, we will have to wait at least a generation or more to get it back. Again, this is a political trainwreck waiting to happen, just as it did in 1992.
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Perhaps that is the danger in having immigration policy so heavily tilted towards on particular group.
Unless these brown ratb*stards submit a proper W-2, and subject themselves to an illicit withholding. In the meantime we must create another (economic) criminal class of any American that dares to risk some capital building a business. If you will cite the exact federal criminal statute that allows prosecution of a person for failing to provide proof of citizenship or status upon demand; I will guarantee you that I will be in total support of a federal crackdown on every human being in America, our territories, and possessions. Make sure that your papers are in order, comrade.
How does this jibe with half LA's school system being half illegals? (Oh, I get it, the kids were born here, so therefore aren't illegal--talk about massaging the data!).
Who are you going to attract here?
Eurosocialists?
We pull from what's around us...so does Europe, and look where they are.
There is one area in the whole world where Islam has lost ground...the Hispanic Americas.
Give me Catholic Hispanic immigrants over Eurosocialists and Muslims every day.
Just give them to me legally.
You gave no data.
That's because those tax returns are fraudulent. I should know I uncovered several of those phoney refund tax return schemes, ALL of them perpetrated by hispanics, during the time I worked for the IRS. (Though I know those schemes were not the exclusive domain of hispanics) I would venture a guess the FICA and withholding taxes on those W-2's was never actually paid--it's imaginary money--monopoly money. Just look at the increase in delinquent taxes on the IRS's books--who do you think owes it?
The IRS hasn't been able to match W-2 and withholding tax returns on a current basis until just very recently. They were always at least 3 years behind in the decade and a half I personally witnessed. BTW, if the SSN's are bogus, they can't be tracked to an employer, and the employers probably don't exist either.
In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.
Even if true this means we could buy about 24 F-16's a year with this money, if it existed. Hardly a net gain when you should subtract out the social costs imposed by the illegals.
Using data from the Census Bureau's current population survey, Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocacy group in Washington that favors more limits on immigration, estimated that 3.8 million households headed by illegal immigrants generated $6.4 billion in Social Security taxes in 2002.
In other words, a SWAG. Not scientific or accurate enough to crow about. I know some illegals contribute to the tax base (sort of) because I do the accounting for a restaurant chain that employes about 1,800 people, a good many of them hispanic, and I'm sure some of them are illegal. But I don't feel sorry for these people, they're averaging $10 an hour flipping burgers. When I was 17 I did it for $1.10 an hour. Even if I consult the Census Bureau's database I won't be able to tell how many of them are or aren't filing their tax returns.
My point is, even if all the money in the Suspense fund is real, and the illegals were responsible for ALL of it, it still does not offset the costs they impose on our society.
Here was Brasil's solution in the middle of last century when I resided there.
In rural, agricultural areas the employer provided the housing, the schools and the school supplies for their employees and their employee's family, whether full time or seasonal. The state provided the school teachers, emergency medical care and medical clinics. The housing and the school facilities had to meet prevailing state codes and the employer provided transportation for medical treatment.
The system worked well and Brasil had a higher literacy rate than the US at that time. Brasil's level of medical care was technically inferior to the US, resulting in higher infant mortality rates, but a higher percentage of the population was under routine medical care.
The system had only one, minor irritation. Any invitation from the state to participate in prophylactic medical procedures, such as inoculations and health assessments, was extended and enforced by armed military personnel on an in-your-face, right now, door to door basis.
You're only willing to believe the things that support what you already believe.
Have a nice da.
Oh, yes I worked for that agency--you want to see my scars to prove it?
When an illegal buys a fake SS card from the proprietor of his local corner taco stand he is told the card and number are GOOD. What does the buyer know about SS cards--he's not from this country.
It is not impossible to get an income tax refund from a tax return filed with a purchased SSN. I saw it all the time. This scam would still work today if done correctly. All the illegal has to do is have the SSN of a real person, and use the same name, or a name that has the same first 4 letters of the last name, use a PO Box as an address, and file his phoney refund claiming tax return before the REAL owner of the SSN files his. The bogus return isn't detected until the second return (the real one) is filed. By that time the phoney has his refund check, cashed it, and is long gone. Saw it hundreds of times.
I thought I read some recent statistic/story that Hispanic females, more than other groups, were turning to Islam.
I have friends in the sugar business here in Florida,and elsewhere.
They used to import cutters from Haiti to work the fields, great employees.
These workers were provided with housing, medical care, food, and education for their kids.
Obviously, the towns surrounding the sugar cane fields thrived during the "zafra" (cutting season), selling all the things these workers needed.
Some bleeding heart liberals, backed by immigration control advocates, managed to make the practice of bringing cutters in from Haiti financially detrimental to the mills, in order to protect these workers from being exploited.
The industry reacted by mechanizing the process.
Now the cutters live in abject poverty in Haiti when before they made an excellent living by Haitian standards, their kids are (most likely) not getting an education, and they can't afford medical attention.
Needless to say, the town surrounding the mills suffered as well from the loss of business.
I think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a good guest worker program, and I can't for the life of me figure out how to remove ten to twenty million people from our soil effectively, and without making us look like we are conducting something akin to ethnic cleansing.
Show it to me.
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