Posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
Princeton University sociologist Douglas S. Massey reports that 62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Economist Larry Kudlow praises Hispanic entrepreneurship: "According to 2002 Census Bureau data, Hispanics are opening businesses at a rate three times faster than the national average. In addition, there were almost 1.6 million Hispanic-owned businesses generating $222 billion in revenue in 2002."
Total crime and property crime in California are half what they were in 1980; violent crime has fallen more than a third. The state's Hispanic population during that time has increased 120 percent.
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.....Why do you front for illegal aliens Luis? Why do you like them to murder et al on our soil?
Hittin' the bars early, huh?
That's giving you the benefit of the doubt. If your disingenuous, strawman-filled outburst is not alcohol-driven, then you have no excuse.
Your post won't be answered and doesn't deserve an answer.
Fix-the-math bump.
The Texas school system has been groaning under a mass of Mexican children for 20 years.....the old schools built for the Boomers are bulging again, and the Houston school system is having both to consolidate schools in order to abandon decrepit buildings from the 50's and build new schools. (And of course, they've just HAD to build themselves a big new administrative complex at the same time! -- but that's another issue.)
My friends in suburban Atlanta tell me the same story -- kids who shouldn't be here, swinging from the rafters and jamming both the schools and hospital ER waiting rooms.
In 1996, 22 percent of immigrant-headed households used at least one major welfare program, compared to 15 percent of native households. After declining in the late 1990s, welfare use rebounded, with 23 percent of immigrant households using welfare compared to 15 percent of native
households in 2001.
* The persistently high rate of welfare use by immigrant households stems from their heavy reliance on Medicaid, which has actually risen modestly.
* Welfare use remains high over time; immigrants in the country for more than 20 years still use the welfare system at significantly higher rates than natives.
In 2001, almost 80 percent of immigrant households using welfare had at least one person working.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back503.html .
Do you meet a payroll you wish were smaller?
Do you employ illegal aliens?
62 percent of illegal immigrants pay income taxes (via withholding) and 66 percent contribute to Social Security. Forbes magazine notes that Mexican illegals aren't clogging up the social-services system: only 5 percent receive food stamps or unemployment assistance; 10 percent send kids to public schools.
Ever hear of the book "How to Lie with Statistics?"
Pleae read post 85 where the italics are properly placed. It was said but not by me
I responded to that comment, and you changed the subject completely: "I've seen no person on this thread say that we should have no immigration, period"
This seems very clear cut to me. You are accusing anti-illegal immigrant posters with being anti-immigrant. You cannot acknowledge that because it would reveal your position to be bogus, a straw man.
Hmmm.... your first two statements have barely a nodding acquaintance with each other, and there is simply no logical relationship whatever between those two statements, my comment, and your subsequent confused notion that I'm accusing anybody of anything.
Perhaps after a deep breath you'll calm down enough to recognize this as simply a matter of batting about the idea of whether Tony Snow's throw-away use of the term has any points of contact with the historical positions of the "Know Nothings." It appears that there are some points of contact -- which is a) probably why Mr. Snow used the term in the first place; and b) probably why you're so upset about it.
Neither I nor Mr. Snow would ever claim that you're just like the Know Nothings of the 1850s, because we understand that one never wants to take such comparisons too far. So I'm not going to worry about trying to force an exacting definition on it -- it was a throw-away phrase. If you choose to hyperventilate about it, that's your problem, not mine.
That's a spectacularly pathetic framework for weighing public policy issues.
Okay, you answered my question. Nothing. And that's what I thought you would say.
Incidentally, I disagree with what you think about my question. Indeed, if people asked "what's it to you" more often, they would be amazed how often they would have to answer "nothing." This is especially effective when dealing with liberals. But it works with all people who obsess about what others do even when it doesn't have any adverse impact whatsoever on their personal life.
So are you -- and thus your argument is self-defeating.
Or one sixth of them. Or one ninth. More or less. The numerator is presumably known fairly well. The denominator, however, depends on whose bogus estimates you choose to believe for the number of illegals in the US. On this very thread, we've seen estimates of 10 million, 20+ million, and "over 30 million".
I believe you can decrease your withholding by increasing the number of dependents claimed on your W-4.
I'm not sure, but I think you posted to the proposed House version of the current immigration bill. I compared it to the actual version of 8 USC Sec. 1324 at www.findlaw.com. They don't match.
It's also a tiny fraction of the length of the one that would be required for the US border -- and which would not cover either the Gulf or Pacific coast beaches. Other than that they're both "fences," it's rather difficult to compare the two: the difference in scale is too great.
My friend's cousin was raped by an illegal alien, and committed suicide shortly there after.
My friend's cousins uncle was stabbed by an illegal alien.
I have also heard of people who were raped or stabbed by people who were not illegal aliens. Imagine that!
I had a chat with someone on a police brutality thread. I drive a nice car, I'm home by 9:00, I know the local chief of police. I have no fear of being on the wrong side of a wayward cop. There's no logical reason, therefore, for me to advocate for effective regulation of police activity, but I do.
A lot of life is more pleasant than it would otherwise be because anonymous people did something that had nothing to do with them.
Sometimes minding your own business is a virtue. Sometimes it's not.
Well, that's a very real prospect. Then again it may be a carefully run process where other results could be obtained by crafting the study differenty. I don't trust these things, and when someone starts quoting them I lose respect for the commentary.
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