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Bush burns his base on the borders
Star-Ledger ^ | March 30, 2006 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 03/30/2006 2:31:49 PM PST by Irontank

Imagine that you and several thousand of your closest friends decided to sneak into Mexico illegally. And imagine you then gathered in one of the largest cities, waving American flags and blocking traffic. Imagine you demanded in English that the Mexicans change their laws to accommodate you.

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Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado is engaging in what amounts to open warfare with the White House on the issue. His aide Will Adams told me yesterday that Tancredo and other House conservatives intend to block any bill that contains either amnesty or guest worker provisions.

....Bush always has had ample authority to solve a relatively manageable problem with illegal immigration.

"I'm not sure what about this guy is conservative anymore," says Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies. "He appointed a couple good judges and that was it -- and he almost blew one of those chances."

Krikorian was alluding to the Harriet Miers fiasco, one of a tri fecta of Bush blunders that have alerted conservatives to his true nature. The second was the Dubai ports controversy. The third is this push for immigration amnesty.

Krikorian advises Bush to cut his losses and accept a tough enforcement bill. Once that 700-mile fence is up on the southern border, Bush might revive his push for that amnesty that he re fuses to call an amnesty.

"A lot of ordinary Americans might swallow it if it were presented as a second step after enforcement was in place and if it weren't demanded as a right but as a result of illegals begging the forgiveness of the American people," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bushrobusteza; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; mexico; mulshine
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To: chris1

I was all ready to help for 08 but for the life of me I just can't see doing it. I have just lost so much faith in Bush when he is suppose to be the man in charge of security.Does anyone know of anyone who has the guts to put the American people first!


61 posted on 03/30/2006 3:18:38 PM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: jlasoon
Everyone raise their hand who is voting next time around.

I'm voting in 06, and again in 08. So can you. See the tagline.

62 posted on 03/30/2006 3:19:07 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: chris1
Its really sad to see what is going on.

A guest worker program that takes eleven years for the worker to become a citizen doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me.

But, I've never been closed to alternatives to the "let's-kick-'em-all-out" crowd.

Anyone who thought a bill like HR 4437 would survive in the Senate was dreaming, especially with its draconian penalties against humanitarian organizations (like churches) that work with illegals.

All or nothing, once again, get's us nothing.

63 posted on 03/30/2006 3:19:28 PM PST by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: Irontank

It will be something to watch the GOP burn due to Bush. All the Bushbots will wonder why he lost a majority in both houses. And will not believe that their guy is one of the most ignorant and stupid presidents to ever hold the office. If we can just make it through 08 without having Bush destroy the whole country will be an incredible feat.


64 posted on 03/30/2006 3:19:56 PM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: Irontank
"Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado is engaging in what amounts to open warfare with the White House on the issue. ..... Tancredo and other House conservatives intend to block any bill that contains either amnesty or guest worker provisions."

I encourage everyone to flood Tancredo with supportive e-mail, snail mail, donations .... whatever it takes to make Bush, et al, realize that they are not on the side of the majority in this matter.

65 posted on 03/30/2006 3:20:29 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: catholicfreeper
Then some sort of guest worker program.

I don't think many people have problems with a guest worker program as long as (a) employers pay prevailing wages (ie taxes, FICA, etc) instead of paying under-the-table, (b) guest workers are properly documented, (c) being a guest worker has no bearing on citizenship.

Amnesty is the worst of all possible worlds. If a bill isn't enacted this year, then at least the status quo still regards illegals as 'illegals' instead of being placed on a citizenship track.

66 posted on 03/30/2006 3:20:48 PM PST by lemura
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To: Old_Mil

Everyone raise their hand who is voting next time around.

I'm voting in 06, and again in 08. So can you. See the tagline.

So you're voting for the donks then?


67 posted on 03/30/2006 3:21:00 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: sinkspur
The reason politicians don't care about illegal immigration is because, while the people care about the issue, they don't vote on the issue. It is never in the top five of issues among voters during presidential campaigns.

It will be in 2008, that's for certain.

68 posted on 03/30/2006 3:21:25 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: courtinwi

I got criticized here for calling the Boomers a generation of locusts.

I think I'm vindicated now. There is nothing the Boomers won't put on our tab.


69 posted on 03/30/2006 3:22:05 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Old_Mil

The Constitution Party believes we shouldn't have an Air Force. It's gonna be pretty hard to attract mainstream America to that notion.

But good luck with that.


70 posted on 03/30/2006 3:22:43 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: sasafras

It will be something to watch the GOP burn due to Bush. All the Bushbots will wonder why he lost a majority in both houses. And will not believe that their guy is one of the most ignorant and stupid presidents to ever hold the office. If we can just make it through 08 without having Bush destroy the whole country will be an incredible feat.

So you support the Cindy Sheehan/Osama Party then?

Ever heard of primaries, or are you really a Moveon.org clown?


71 posted on 03/30/2006 3:22:59 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: chris1

None of what you claim will have any meaning if you get rid of all the illegals.

What i'm saying is, eliminate the illegal government social programs ie. SS, Medicare, welfare, food stamps, housing, etc., force out all illegals, and the government doesn't need the funds that it currently spends.

If you eliminate all the freebies that allow americans to not work there will not only be more than ample people to "do the jobs that americans don't want" but an excess clamoring for them if they don't want to starve to death.

Bush can take his conpssonate BS and shove it, in the real world it's called socialism.


72 posted on 03/30/2006 3:23:03 PM PST by dalereed
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To: travlnmn41

"So who in the hell will we vote for in 2008?? I sure hope a REAL conservative emerges before then."

How about
Rep. Tom Tancredo ?


73 posted on 03/30/2006 3:23:27 PM PST by Revel
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To: Centurion2000

Unfortunately there are only 2 political choices to us measley voters.

Elect the the dims who will open the flood gates.

Or keep the pubbies who'll leave the back door cracked.


74 posted on 03/30/2006 3:24:00 PM PST by umgud (12 gauge, the original pepper spray)
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To: dalereed

..arrest anyone that aids or hires one including homeowners...
gonna be building a lot of jails, wonder how many illegal workers you will need to finish them?


75 posted on 03/30/2006 3:24:27 PM PST by bybybill (RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: investigateworld

"Agreed, but don't you think Bush knows that too?"

Perhaps.
But he can't be re-elected, so he doesn't have anything to lose.
Also, it's mainly due to the War. If the war were going well, Bush would be a hero across the country with strong public opinion polls and Republicans would be flying high on the national security issue.

But it's not, and they're in the doghouse with the President in the national perception.

In that environment, everything ELSE, like this, is an irritant.

Bush has had the same immigration policies since 2000, but the whole thread turned out to vote for him and his party, with the current policies, in 2004. Because of the War.

The issue is interesting, but it's the War that is costing the Republicans the farm. If something dramatic and positive happens, and it has to happen very soon, then Bush and the Republicans will get a new lease on life.

Otherwise, grimness.


76 posted on 03/30/2006 3:25:17 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: raybbr

You do know that Hispanics, especially Mexicans, vote overwhelmingly Democrat.


77 posted on 03/30/2006 3:25:24 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Irontank


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


78 posted on 03/30/2006 3:25:59 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Dog Gone
The Constitution Party believes we shouldn't have an Air Force. It's gonna be pretty hard to attract mainstream America to that notion.

For what the Constitution Party *really* believes, visit this website. http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php Oh - and by all means, do support Rep. Tom Tancredo.
79 posted on 03/30/2006 3:26:48 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: jlasoon

There better be a lot of them, because there sure as hell won't be many concervatives voting for these Whores.


80 posted on 03/30/2006 3:27:29 PM PST by newcthem (Use Allah urinal cakes!)
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