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The Islamic Threat Is Greater Than German And Soviet Threats Were (Dennis Prager Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 03/28/06 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/27/2006 10:09:17 PM PST by goldstategop

Only four types of individuals can deny the threat to civilization posed by the violence-supporting segment of Islam: the willfully naive, America-haters, Jew-haters and those afraid to confront evil.

Anyone else sees the contemporary reality -- the genocidal Islamic regime in Sudan; the widespread Muslim theological and emotional support for the killing of a Muslim who converts to another religion; the absence of freedom in Muslim-majority countries; the widespread support for Palestinians who randomly murder Israelis; the primitive state in which women are kept in many Muslim countries; the celebration of death; the "honor killings" of daughters; and so much else that is terrible in significant parts of the Muslim world -- knows that civilized humanity has a new evil to fight.

Just as previous generations had to fight Nazism, communism and fascism, our generation has to confront militant Islam.

And whereas there were unique aspects to those evils, there are two unique aspects to the evil emanating from the Islamic world that render this latest threat to humanity particularly difficult to overcome.

One is the number of people who believe in it. This is a new phenomenon among organized evils. Far fewer people believed in Nazism or in communism than believe in Islam generally or in authoritarian Islam specifically. There are one billion Muslims in the world. If just 10 percent believe in the Islam of Hamas, the Taliban, the Sudanese regime, Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism, bin Ladin, Islamic Jihad, the Finley Park Mosque in London or Hizbollah -- and it is inconceivable that only one of 10 Muslims supports any of these groups' ideologies -- that means a true believing enemy of at least 100 million people. Outside of Germany, how many people believed in Nazism? Outside of Japan, who believed in Japanese imperialism and militarism? And outside of universities, the arts world or Hollywood, how many people believed in Soviet-style totalitarianism?

A far larger number of people believe in Islamic authoritarianism than ever believed in Marxism. Virtually no one living in Marxist countries believed in Marxism or communism. Likewise, far fewer people believed in Nazism, an ideology confined largely to one country for less than one generation. This is one enormous difference between the radical Islamic threat to our civilization and the two previous ones.

But there is yet a second difference that is at least as significant and at least as frightening: Nazis and Communists wanted to live and feared death; Islamic authoritarians love death and loathe life.

That is why MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) worked with the Soviet Union. Communist leaders love life -- they loved their money, their power, their dachas, their mistresses, their fine wines -- and were hardly prepared to give all that up for Marx. But Iran's current leaders celebrate dying, and MAD may not work, because from our perspective, they are indeed mad. MAD only works with the sane.

There is much less you can do against people who value dying more than living.

The existence of an unprecedentedly large number of people wishing to destroy decent civilization as we know it -- and who celebrate their own deaths -- poses a threat the likes of which no civilization in history has had to confront.

The evils committed by Nazism and Communism were, of course, greater than those committed by radical Islam. There has been no Muslim Gulag and no Muslim Auschwitz.

But the threat is far more serious.


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To: goldstategop

And, I'm sure you've seen this article or ones like it. We are nothing more than a nation of "Dhimmi's". As are a lot of other nations. It's all part of a bigger plan. Things are falling into place just like "they" planned. I have another article where a leading cleric talks about how to "lie" to all of us. They are really quite good at it. But I'll post this one first. Read on:

Jewish World Review March 22, 2006 / 22 Adar, 5766

USArabia?

By Abigail R. Esman

A forward looking must-read about the potentially irreversible consequences of blending foreign investment and radical ideology

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | So they've cancelled the Dubai Ports World deal.

Feel better now? Safer?

I don't.

Because the problem is not just Dubai Ports World. It isn't even the recent reports that indicate the National Guard has been stretched too thin by the loss of both manpower and equipment to Iraq, or the upcoming release of two "Virginia Jihad" members, or the enrolment at Yale University of a former Taliban spokesman. It isn't the recent relaxation of security rules on airplanes (knives, scissors and knitting needles allowed on board and fewer bag searches at airports), and the continuing lack of security measures at major train stations throughout the country. It's not even the fact that Dubai pulled out of the deal only when faced with an in-depth investigation and at the request of the President (from whom, one can be certain, alternative promises were made in exchange).

This is something much, much bigger.

In February, I attended a conference in the Netherlands featuring experts on the concepts of dhimmitude, a word based on the Arabic word "dhimmi," or "protected," and Eurabia, a word created by scholar Bat Ye'or to describe a Euro-Arab solidarity that is leading gradually (though ever faster) to the Islamization of our European friends and allies.

In essence, Europeans, says Ye'or, have acquiesced to the powers and demands of the Arab world, cooperating and collaborating in areas of foreign policy, economy, and culture, in return for which Europe will be — in principle — safe from the violent conquest by Islam.

If this sounds like crazy conspiracy theory, in fact, it isn't really all that different from the politics we're used to in America. Countries that behave according to Western, Euro-American standards can count on Euro-American investment and military support; those who do not can expect repercussions. The difference here is simply one of a marriage between church and state: for Islamic nations, they are one and the same. Follow their religion, submit to their socio-economic demands, and their governments will not persecute or attack.

Consider, too, the central premise of Bat Ye'or's argument: that according to the principles of jihad, non-Muslims must be brought to convert — preferably through peaceable means, but if necessary, through violence.

In an interview with John W. Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute, the Egyptian born Bat Ye'or explains:

"According to the jihadic doctrine, the world is divided into two parts: Muslims and Infidels, the latter living in the dar al-harb, the land of war, because their land must be Islamized by peaceful means, or by war if they resist. Before attacking the Infidels, Muslims must first call them to convert; if they refuse, they are asked to pay a ransom; if they refuse again, Muslims have the duty to wage war on them. Truce is accepted on condition that the Infidels pay a regular ransom and put no obstacle to the spread of Islam in their own countries. There are other conditions also, like sending soldiers to fight for Islamic interests. A truce should not last more than 10 years, and it is allowed only when the Muslim ruler is weak. Otherwise, war against the Infidels is mandatory."

The words "put no obstacle to the spread of Islam in their countries" explain, for instance, the establishment of Saudi-run mosques throughout Europe (the largest of which is based in Rotterdam — home to Europe's major port) and of Saudi-owned schools and bookstores where anti-Western texts are taught and sold, where one finds books like The Muslim Way, a bestseller in the Dutch Muslim community that advises its readers that it is often necessary to beat women, that women are obliged to submit to their husbands' sexual desires on demand, and that homosexuals should be burned, stoned, or thrown from the highest available building, head first.

In exchange for this openness, Europe receives Arab oil, Arab investment, and a "truce" of sorts by which, as Muslims become the majority in many countries (which some believe could take place within decades), Jews and Christians will be safe to practice their religions, just as they were permitted to do — as dhimmis — in the 7th century, when, writes Bat Ye'or, "the infidel population had to recognize Islamic ownership on their land, submit to Islamic (i.e. Sharia) law, and accept payment of the poll tax. In return they were granted the effective protection of Islamic law, which gave them security, limited religious rights, and self administration in religious and civil law." On her web site (dhimmitude.org) she further notes, "Peace and security for non-Muslims are recognized only after their submission. Protection status is provided through the Islamization of conquered lands."

So what has this to do with American security today?

Just this: Influence and investment in the USA by Muslim nations — particularly Saudi Arabia and the UAE — not only continues, but is escalating, invading our institutions with the $20 million grant to Harvard University by Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal for the establishment of an Islamic Studies program (which can surely be expected to teach the kinds of things that similarly-sponsored schools teach in Europe); with the purchase last fall by Dubai's crown prince Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum of 230 Park Avenue, the building above New York's Grand Central Station; with the takeover by another Dubai firm, Dubai Holdings, of the Doncasters Group, a UK-based manufacturer of parts for military aircraft, tanks, and petrochemical markets with plants throughout the US and Europe.

Doncasters' — now Dubai Holding's — biggest clients? Boeing, Honeywell, Siemens, and General Electric.

(It is perhaps worth noting that, as with the Dubai Ports World transactions, many of those companies agreeing to be purchased are not only European, but that of our closest European ally: Great Britain. And to quote a piece in Al Bayan, a government run UAE newspaper as cited by the Anti-Defamation League: "...But who planted the biggest and the most dangerous virus in the region? Isn't it Britain and Europe who planted the Israeli virus? Isn't America protecting and injecting this virus in every aspect of life so it can penetrate and become monstrous?").

Yet when questioned on these transactions, their defenders are quick to pull the "racism" card, arguing that we don't want to anger our "friends" in the United Arab Emirates, who have, they argue, supported and assisted some of America's anti-terror efforts.

(That they have supported and assisted some of political Islam's most vicious terrorists in their own effort is, apparently, not the point.)

In other words, the deal is struck: they'll be nice to us as long as we let them take over our ports, our real estate, our train stations (the ones lacking security systems), our institutions. If we refuse them, they may — so the argument goes — get angry, pack up their toys and go home, and then come back to bomb us in the morning.

These, we call our friends.

This, I call succumbing to terror.

This, I call dhimmitude.

Ye'or defines the term, in fact, in exactly this way, noting in her interview with Whitehead that the concept "represents a behavior dictated by fear (terrorism), pacifism when aggressed, rather than resistance, servility because of cowardice and vulnerability."

Isn't that what this is?

THE SELLING OF THE MILITARY
If you haven't heard of Dubai Holdings, the company that just purchased Doncasters while you weren't looking, you might want to find out more. They also have a $1 billion share of Daimler/Chrysler, makers of such commonly used US and European military equipment as ground transport vehicles and of such vital military weapons as missiles.

(And of course, if it is true that, as some have suggested, the UAE maintains friendly relations with the USA in part because of its need to purchase our arms, well, they seem to be doing away with that necessity quite handily.)

Moreover, Doncasters — now Dubai Holding — maintains close connections with General Electric — the company that not only produces turbine engines for Boeing (among others) but, as it announces proudly on its web site, "Whether you're with a federal, state or local government agency, GE offers innovative technologies to help make your world safer. GE can integrate the latest advancements with your existing equipment and IT systems so you can increase security at embassies, borders, military installations, water treatment plants and other critical public infrastructure. Plus these integrated systems capture valuable data you can use to improve procedures, investigate events and prevent others from happening at all."

In the face of all this, the cancellation of the Dubai Ports World deal (which now seems possibly not to have been cancelled after all) doesn't seem to me to mean that much.

Okay, I know that some people do not see this as a threat. They argue that the UAE has been an ally to the US. They maintain that in a globalized economy, international exchanges of businesses are not only likely but desirable, that there should be no difference between selling a company to the UK and selling the same business to the Arab world — even to countries which have taken a pronounced, militant stance against Israel, whose anti-Semitic leanings and support of Hamas and of the Taliban are well-documented, countries that have served as financial centers for terrorists, countries that have, in fact, harbored the very terrorists who killed thousands on our own shores.

Even, it seems, in the face of history.

(Whether the connections between some of these companies and friends, members, and family of the Bush Administration are relevant here is another question; stay tuned for Part Two of this investigation.)

Some defense contractors have told me global war by Islamic extremists is becoming a business. Tactics and procedures are being tested in Sri Lanka, bombs are tested in Indonesia, and suddenly they turn up in Afghanistan and Iraq. And the UAE, they say, knows that military defense is a growth business in the United States these days.

How do they know? Why do they know?

Speaking not of the UAE, but of their Saudi neighbors, Ibn Warraq, the esteemed author of Leaving Islam and Why I Am Not A Muslim pointed out at the Hague conference, "In August, 2002, the Rand Corporation published a report that described Saudi Arabia as ' the kernel of evil, the prime mover, the most dangerous opponent."

The report went on explain that "Saudi Arabia supports our enemies and attacks our allies. The Saudis are active at every level of the terror chain, from planners to financiers, from cadre to foot-soldier, from ideologist to cheerleader'. And yet little seems to have changed in the West's behavior towards a regime that has financed terrorism, funnelled millions into madrassas that preach more anti-Western hatred, has corrupted institutions of higher education like Harvard and Georgetown University, has bought the favours of Western politicians and seeks to destroy Western civilisation at every turn. We know the reason: oil. But until we address the question of Saudi Arabia and its influence on life in the West we shall have no progress, no rest."

Is the UAE really all that different? Is that a chance we want to take with our military equipment, our clean water systems, our embassies, our railways, our ports?

Author and scholar Robert Spencer may make you wonder. Asked to define dhimmitude in his own words, he replied in an e-mail: It is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, "protected people," are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Koran's command that they "feel themselves subdued."(Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race."

Yes. I am afraid.


81 posted on 03/29/2006 12:21:12 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Tevin

The cartoons published in Denmark showed Mohammed with a bomb in his turban. By the time they were distributed in the Middle East, Mohammed is engaging in sexual acts.


82 posted on 03/29/2006 12:24:02 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman

Any links to pix?


83 posted on 03/29/2006 12:25:34 AM PST by Tevin
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To: Tevin
There was an article posted here, but pictures were not provided. The article was during the first week of the furor.

I believe that the news organization was Fox online. It might have been Malkin or Snow. It was a single source, but reputable. For instance, I would have reserved judgment if the single source had been NewsMax.
84 posted on 03/29/2006 12:42:38 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: roughman; goldstategop
re : have served two tours in the land of jihadis and can honestly say almost all of them want nothing more than you and I do.

I agree, having served in North Ireland, parts of Africa, the Balkens and Iraq, I have found that the majority of ordinary people the ones you don't read about, the ones not on TV, just want what the majority of most people want to be left alone to live there own life.

85 posted on 03/29/2006 12:54:02 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: nmh

b.t.w it's spelt brouhaha


86 posted on 03/29/2006 4:27:35 AM PST by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic: Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: Lion in Winter

badly shaped because they stick 'em in weird places I guess -- watch out goats, young boys, tree knots etc...


87 posted on 03/29/2006 4:28:43 AM PST by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic: Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: goldstategop

Excellent post.

Between 300,000 and 400,000 American soldiers died in WWII. But that war was never labeled "a morass," or a "quagmire," nor did the media or Hollywood oppose the war. I wonder why? Of course, we were saving "Uncle Joe," and communism, and we did a fabulous job. How many more countries came under communist rule in postwar Europe?


88 posted on 03/29/2006 5:39:19 AM PST by ChessExpert (MSM: Only good for to taking side(s))
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To: x
The only people that statement would offend are Muslims who either refuse to acknowledge what is going on in the Islamic world or who approve of these activities. I have good reason to believe Muslim nations are very much like a Gulag, esp. for non-Muslims. Non-Muslims are the object of frequent progroms, they have "0" rights in Islamic courts, they are beaten, and beheaded. Non-Muslim women are frequently gang-raped by Muslim youths. Non-Muslim houses of worship are trashed and burned. They have their property destroyed or stolen with impunity. They are discriminated in the job market. Their Muslim employers frequently cheat them out of their pay. Non-Muslims are enslaved and sold all over the Middle East. Non-Muslims are frequently jailed on trumped up charges. And persecution of non-Muslims (including acts of genocide) is on the rise in practically every country under the Banner of the Crescent Moon.
Sounds pretty d@mn "Gulag-like" to me. Before you you make such a statement, to wit, "Do you realize how offensive that comment is to people who survived the Soviet camps or lost relatives there?"--maybe you ought to educate yourself about what's going on in the Islamic world and talk to some non-Muslims from there who have been fortunate enough to get out.
89 posted on 03/29/2006 3:39:56 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: attiladhun2
Before you you make such a statement, to wit, "Do you realize how offensive that comment is to people who survived the Soviet camps or lost relatives there?"--maybe you ought to educate yourself about what's going on in the Islamic world and talk to some non-Muslims from there who have been fortunate enough to get out.

So the world from Morocco to Indonesia from Senegal to Kazakhstan is one big Gulag? Even democratic Turkey, our NATO ally? It sounds like you'd do well to read Solzhenitsyn to get a sense of what Stalin's camps were actually like.

Something like 20 million people went through the camps. Millions died, something like 3 million in the subzero camps of Kolyma alone. Rations for those condemned to hard labor were about a third of what was necessary to sustain life. There was up to 80% mortality in a few months in some camps.

It was real and horrible for those who experienced it. Whether it's you saying that the Muslim world is one big Gulag or Muslims calling Guantanamo our Gulag, such comparisons made to score debating points don't reflect well on those who make them.

I wouldn't want to live in a Muslim country either, but there's much variety in the Islamic world and even some freedom in some parts of it. If you'd said life in Muslim countries was like life in Stalin's Russia we could have a debate. But to say life in the Muslim world is like life in Stalin's concentration camps is absurd and offensive both to Muslims and to Russians and other East Europeans.

90 posted on 03/29/2006 4:24:20 PM PST by x
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To: x
If you were a Papuan seeing his village razed, or Timorese watching his family being slaughtered, or a Southern Sudanese being sold into slavery, or Marionite being driven from his home , or a Copt watching his church burn to the ground, or an Assyrian woman being raped by a bunch of Muslim hoolums, or a Sabean being driven off his land, or a Zoroastrian languishing in some Iranian prison, you might feel you are in something very much resembling a Gulag.
I have a distinct feeling you are trying to defend Islam--which as far as I can see is a despotism masquerading as a religion. I know about the sufferings of Eastern Europeans, it does not mimimize the persecutions of non-Muslims in Muslim countries going on every day there but largely ignored by a Western press, who desire above all else to keep their news outlets in the ME.
As far as offending Muslims, they are doing a good enough job of making themselves offensive without my assistance.
By the way, the religion of peace has been busy creating mountains of corpses since the Armenian Genocide of the early 1900s.
91 posted on 03/29/2006 6:02:06 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: attiladhun2
I'm no great fan of Islam, but there's a lot of variety in a 1400 year old religion and the civilization that inspired great poets and philosophers in an earlier era, so I won't condemn the whole culture of that part of the world.

I'll grant that Muslim cultures have a lot of problems with modernity, but the things you complain about were seen in Western cultures and religions in the pre-modern era. We've overcome some pretty unsavory things in our own past: what reason is there why Muslims can't do the same?

When you say Islam is brutality or savagery or a concentration camp world, you set the terms in such a way that millions of people in the world will choose brutality or savagery in order to be Muslim. I don't think that's either a useful policy or a fair assessment of their religious or cultural heritage and its capabilities.

You force the conflict between cultures to be more ferocious than it need be, and run the risk of creating a situation that's more dangerous than it has to be. A century ago, plenty of Russians attacked Orthodoxy as a backward religion that needed to be replaced or abolished. What they got was much worse. That will also be the case if more moderate and reformist forces in the Muslim world lose out.

92 posted on 03/30/2006 5:52:13 PM PST by x
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To: x
We won't call it a "clash of civilizations." We can call it a manifestation of "cultural differences, particularly religious ones." Whatever its name, it does, I fear, raise barriers for lovers of liberty. I seriously doubt that Rahman will be hanged. No decent respect for the opinions of mankind could save the Bamiyan statuary, but now that the "moderates" are in control, there is a good chance that Abdul can in effect be ransomed. The Afghan legal authorities are hinting at a solution of declaring him crazy and "hospitalizing" him. That was the technique perfected by the Soviets to deal with their apostates, after improved communications made it awkward for them simply to shoot them. My conjunction of these two totalitarian mindsets is not factitious. The courageous "Manifesto" recently signed by Irshad Manji, Salman Rushdie, Ali Ayaan Hirsi and several other writers and thinkers begins thus: "After having overcome fascism, Nazism and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism." If Islamophobia is the fear of Islam, these folks earn their place among charter Islamophobes. Each of them is a Muslim born and raised, now threatened with murder for what they have dared to think and say.
--John V. Fleming

93 posted on 03/30/2006 5:57:58 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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