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If we perceive illegal immigration to be a problem and if we truly want to deal with the issue then we don't need border control.

All we need to do is eliminate their incentive, viz., shut down businesses that employ illegals, including Harry Homeowner who might just hire one or two to build his deck.

That, and eliminating all social services would do the trick.

1 posted on 03/21/2006 4:42:02 AM PST by LouAvul
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Chertoff Wants 'Virtual Fence' Along Mexican Border

To go along with our virtual Republican majority in congress.

2 posted on 03/21/2006 4:43:46 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin. Bush is a globalist.)
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Georgia just enacted a new law reducing benefits for illegals. Also, it calls for fines for employers that hire illegals (unfortunately that does not go into effect until 2008).
Emergency medical services and public schools cannot be cut off for illegals.
3 posted on 03/21/2006 4:46:33 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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Yes and the"Virtual Fence"will stop the "Virtual Illegals"!


4 posted on 03/21/2006 4:48:25 AM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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That's it, Chertoff is now a genuine Certified Idiot.

You asswipe, there weren't 14 to 20 million 'Wise Guys' roaming around. Maybe a couple thousand or so total at their zenith in the whole friggin country. And yet, after all these DECADES the FEEB still hasn't wiped them out.

Go away Chertoff - just go away, and STFU.

5 posted on 03/21/2006 4:51:04 AM PST by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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All we need to do is...shut down businesses that employ illegals

And while we're at it, we should try to get everybody to be nice to each other.

6 posted on 03/21/2006 4:51:26 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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Wonder how many "virtual" votes this will cost "virtual republicans"?


7 posted on 03/21/2006 4:52:34 AM PST by Proud Conservative2 (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.)
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Well, at least it will keep out the Roombas.

10 posted on 03/21/2006 5:00:34 AM PST by Cagey (You don't pay taxes - they take taxes. ~Chris Rock)
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All we need to do is eliminate their incentive, viz., shut down businesses that employ illegals, including Harry Homeowner who might just hire one or two to build his deck.

This would shut down all the landscaping & construction companies here in florida.

11 posted on 03/21/2006 5:02:39 AM PST by Fawn (My mind works like lightning. One brilliant flash and it is gone.)
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Well, this will work about as well as McNamara's "virtual fence" did in shutting down the Ho Chi Minh trail.

All we need to do is eliminate their incentive, viz., shut down businesses that employ illegals, including Harry Homeowner who might just hire one or two to build his deck.

That, and eliminating all social services would do the trick.

And you have just explained why an enforcement-only solution will work, in just two sentences!

The problem is that people are against illegal immigration in an abstract way, but will oppose the very real measures needed to stop it if those measures inconvenience or threaten them.

12 posted on 03/21/2006 5:03:54 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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My sister had one of those virtual fences to keep her dog in the yard. It worked like a charm.


14 posted on 03/21/2006 5:05:04 AM PST by uncitizen
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To: LouAvul

1. A real fence.

2. Get rid of the anchor baby laws.

3. Fine those who hire illegals.

4. Allow any LEO to arrest illegals.

5. See Sheriff Joe about housing illegals unitl they are deported.

Congress could take care of 2, 3, and 4 in one day, if they wanted to. Look what they did to kill the terminal (port) deal.


15 posted on 03/21/2006 5:05:30 AM PST by CPOSharky (They don't even like each other.)
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God forbid we build a real fence.


16 posted on 03/21/2006 5:06:02 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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All we need to do is eliminate their incentive, viz., shut down businesses that employ illegals, including Harry Homeowner who might just hire one or two to build his deck.

And how is that going to keep drug smugglers and MS-13 out?

17 posted on 03/21/2006 5:06:55 AM PST by shekkian
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Chertoff wants something that won't deter, and will require a response team the size of an army. Massive increase in the Fed work force. Brilliant and according to plan.


19 posted on 03/21/2006 5:10:28 AM PST by FlyVet (Inherit the desolate heritages.)
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I'm for a real fence. How hard can that be? Put a border agent every half mile on the border. I understand that's 16,000 border agents (three shifts).


24 posted on 03/21/2006 5:30:35 AM PST by SampleMan
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Right. And let's have virtual fences to divide property lines, and virtual grates on stores, and virtual glass between bank tellers and patrons. And since he's the head of homeland security, how about virtual barriers at airports and virtual metal detectors and virtual cockpit doors. Lets all be one big happy open world. Get a clue, Chertoff.

And as far as what he said about real fences not working, talk to Israel and China. And does the name Wall Street ring a bell?? It got it's name from the wall/fence that the dutch put up to keep out the indians. We should just call it Virtual Street!


25 posted on 03/21/2006 5:31:18 AM PST by cotton1706
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Here is the viritual fence I want to see.








26 posted on 03/21/2006 5:47:58 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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"organized crime is just a shadow of what it was."

WTF? Has Chertof never been in LA, NY, Chicago? Gang infestation in urban, suburban and increasingly in rural areas is organized crime. What a dunderbutthead.

33 posted on 03/21/2006 6:38:20 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (GWBush for Commish of Baseball! It's in his blood! Pass it on.)
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The head of the Department of Homeland Security thinks the government can be as successful against illegal immigration as it has been with organized crime."


"Transnational organized crime will be one of the major problems facing policy makers in the 21st century. It will be a defining issue of the 21st century as the Cold War was for the 20th century and Colonialism was for the 19th. No area of international affairs will remain untouched as political and economic systems and the social fabric of many countries will deteriorate under the increasing financial power of international organized crime groups." -Louise Shelley, Director of TraCCC.


34 posted on 03/21/2006 6:39:00 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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All we need to do is eliminate their incentive, viz., shut down businesses that employ illegals, including Harry Homeowner who might just hire one or two to build his deck.

That, and eliminating all social services would do the trick.

100% correct.

35 posted on 03/21/2006 7:55:23 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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