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Darwin: Headed for the Ash-Heap
And Rightlyso...Conservative Book Club ^ | 1-20-2006 | Jeffrey Rubin

Posted on 03/14/2006 1:37:33 PM PST by joyspring777

Of the three intellectual pillars of modern liberalism -- Marx, Darwin, and Freud -- only one is still standing. Marx fell in 1989, along with the Berlin Wall. Freud's demise is more difficult to date; suffice it to say that, by the end of the century, no one, with the possible exception of Woody Allen, took him seriously any more. Darwin, I predict, will suffer a similar fate within the next ten to fifteen years.

That may seem counterintuitive in light of recent legal and public-relations setbacks suffered by critics of Darwinism -- notably a federal judge's decision forbidding the teaching of "Intelligent Design" (a term for one aspect of the anti-Darwin critique) in Dover, Pa., public schools. But it is a sign of weakness, not strength, when one side in an ostensibly scientific debate resorts to silencing the other. If the case for Darwin is such a slam-dunk, why not welcome the chance for its opponents to make fools of themselves?

No, Darwinists are running scared. Even their attempts to declare victory on scientific grounds betray more than a whiff of desperation. Case in point: the year-end edition of the journal Science hailing "evolution in action" as its "Breakthrough of the Year." Among the "dramatic discoveries" said by the magazine to make 2005 "a banner year for uncovering the intricacies of how evolution actually proceeds," none in itself demonstrates whether evolution proceeds, and they only shed light on how if you first assume that it does.

Here, for instance, is Science editor Donald Kennedy describing "one of my favorites" in this evidentiary explosion: "the European blackcap, a species of warbler that spends the winter in two separate places but then reunites to breed, with birds selecting mates from those who shared the same wintering ground. Assortative mating of this kind can produce a gradual differentiation of the two populations. Biologists have shown that new species can arise because of geographic barriers that separate subpopulations, but the divergent evolution shown in this case could result in new species arising within a single range."

If it seems that the bare facts adduced here don't quite amount to a clear instance of "evolution in action," that's because they don't. At best, they demonstrate what's known as "microevolution" -- modification within a species -- which no anti-Darwinist disputes. What is disputed is "macroevolution," the change of one species into another, which is the central claim of Darwinism. If macroevolution occurs, the "assortative mating" of the European blackcap might help to explain how it works, but it does nothing to prove that it does occur.

The fact is,nothing proves that macroevolution occurs, or ever has occurred. And, at a certain point, the absence of proof, especially where it ought to be abundant, constitutes, if not positive disproof, at least strong reasons for doubt. According to Darwin's theory of descent through gradual modification (by way of random mutation and natural selection), the fossil record should contain near-infinite numbers of ever-so-slightly-different "transitional" forms, and even greater numbers of evolutionary dead ends. Despite the best efforts of archaeologists, not even a hint of that has materialized in the fossil record. Instead, what we should not expect to find, according to Darwin's theory, is what we do find: the sudden appearance of innumerable distinct species, as we have in the so-called Cambrian Explosion.

Needless to say, a debate like this can't be settled in the space of a column. Neither, however, can it be settled by shutting out the other side. Darwinists, of course, would have us believe that there is no other side, only a bunch of anti-science religious fanatics who don't deserve to be heard. That approach can succeed, but not for long. As I say, I give them fifteen years, tops.


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To: joyspring777
What do you do with the quotes in post #6?

"The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualist accounts of evolution."

Very few plants or animals were fossilized - an infinitesimal number. Lack of a particular fossil proves nothing. There were billions of plants and animals that lived and died and were not fossilized. Most organic material decays - very little of it was soaked in water with mineral deposits that slowly replaced the cell structures to become a fossil for someone to accidentaly stumble across 10 million years later. There are very few pieces of cloth or material that survived from the Roman Empire. Does that prove the Romans went naked? Your logic would say so.

Now I've answered your question, now you answer mine:

If everything was created as is, and nothing has evolved, then how do you explain all the different breeds of dogs (or cats, or cows, or horses) that Mankind has purposely bred?

If you let dogs breed without human intervention, within not many generations, all dogs will revert back to the original dog form - which has short pointed ears, a curved tail and a ridge of fur along the backbone. That is what the original dog looked like before man bred different breeds for different uses.

How does a Creationist explain that? Did not God create all animals just as they are?

Once again, I am a firm believer in God - I believe God designed and initiated the process of evolution, just like he designed and initiated the earths complicated climate and weather patterns.

God can do anything - including designing evolution.

661 posted on 03/17/2006 1:44:11 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: joyspring777

Darwin isn't a leftist. Creationism isn't rightist. The first is science, the second in mythology.


662 posted on 03/17/2006 1:45:51 PM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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To: joyspring777
What do you do with the quotes in post #6?

Use them as excellent examples of quote mining.

663 posted on 03/17/2006 1:52:59 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: Old Landmarks

Save for later.


664 posted on 03/17/2006 2:35:05 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: TOWER

So the mechanism of self-replication was an Act of God? Are you saying life's ability to manage energy is also an Act of God?


665 posted on 03/17/2006 3:50:13 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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666-- placemarker of the beast


666 posted on 03/17/2006 4:42:18 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Just mythoughts; joyspring777
Well but of course there had to be more than two fully grown adults created in the beginning. Man likes to claim the two different days we are told about as different perspectives of one creation of man, however, they ignore that at the end of the seventh day there was NO man to till the ground. Further DNA says that it is impossible for all peoples to have come from only two human beings. Course now that would make some creationists evolutionists to claim that all humanity did come from just two human beings. There are two different days of creation described, and Peter tell us that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. Genesis does not tell us when the "beginning" began, wherein the heavens and earth were created. What we are told is likened to a supernatural environmental superfund clean up and man is then placed in flesh bodies.

I see.

Clearly you believe there were in fact more than two. Perhaps many, many more than two.

How many do you think there were? (Just provide an approximate value).

667 posted on 03/17/2006 5:39:06 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Clemenza

You are rude and silly, not worth the time of day.


668 posted on 03/17/2006 5:47:06 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: RightWingNilla

I don't agree. That was not my thought or quote.


669 posted on 03/17/2006 5:48:07 PM PST by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777
I don't agree.

You don't believe that there were more than two? Why not?

670 posted on 03/17/2006 5:53:20 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Lurking Libertarian
666-- placemarker of the beast

You called?

671 posted on 03/17/2006 6:07:25 PM PST by balrog666 (Come and see my new profile! Changed yet again!)
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To: joyspring777
"The Scriptures plainly indicate that death (exceedling necessary over billions of years for evo beliefs) did not occur of any kind until Adam and Eve fell."

Adam and Eve's soul did not received the death sentence only their flesh, and death of their flesh was not an immediate occurrence. The devil, the serpent, that tree of the knowledge of good and evil, had already received the death sentence, and that has not happened yet either. Ezekies 28:18, Hebrews 2:14

We are told of an age before man's (soul) was placed in this flesh body, that was destroyed, those dinos died out long before flesh man was formed and the breath of life which means soul was place in the flesh man.

"Death before Adam? If so, it undermines the rest of Scripture.... "

We are not told the length of time those children that were created on the 6th day lived. We are told of in Adam's genealogy that Methuselah was 969 years when he died, but it does not say that he was the longest living, only that he was an offspring from Adam and his years are the longest of those from Adam.

"So...we trust the Creator for all we don't understand yet."

Of course there is much much we cannot understand in this flesh body, however, Christ said Mark 13:23 I have foretold you all things.

So if the science of DNA shows, that it is impossible without evolution, for all peoples upon this earth today to have come from just two created fully grown adults, then that means somewhere planted within the Word is the explanation.

There is no conflict with science and what the Bible tells, man causes the conflict.
672 posted on 03/17/2006 6:08:33 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: joyspring777
You are rude and silly, not worth the time of day.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And coming from someone who has yet to make her first non-ignorant post yet ...

Shame, shame, shame on ...

673 posted on 03/17/2006 6:09:37 PM PST by balrog666 (Come and see my new profile! Changed yet again!)
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To: narby
"Biogenesis and Evolution are separate subjects. How many times has someone posted that fact to you?"


Evolution is based upon the belief in "biogenesis" without it the theory does not have standing. A faith based belief.
674 posted on 03/17/2006 6:11:44 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Evolution is based upon the belief in "biogenesis" without it the theory does not have standing.

Sorry, that happens not to be the case.

Evolution can proceed just fine if there is theistic creation, natural development, or seeding of building blocks from space. In fact, somebody posted, a while back, five different origins, and evolution worked with all five.

Why is it that you believe there is a disconnect between the manner of origin and the process of subsequent evolution?

675 posted on 03/17/2006 6:21:27 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: RightWingNilla

"I see.

Clearly you believe there were in fact more than two. Perhaps many, many more than two.

How many do you think there were? (Just provide an approximate value)."

I honestly do not know, but a guess and only a guess is 4 to 7 different couples. Reason, God said what He created was good, that means that none of His children are inferior to Him.

Ezekiel 18: 4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: .......


676 posted on 03/17/2006 6:35:13 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Coyoteman

"Why is it that you believe there is a disconnect between the manner of origin and the process of subsequent evolution?"


Logic says a process has an origin.


677 posted on 03/17/2006 6:36:59 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"Why is it that you believe there is a disconnect between the manner of origin and the process of subsequent evolution?"

Logic says a process has an origin.

But logic does not specify that origin.

And the process of evolution can work with any origin I can think of.

So, the fact of an origin does not describe the subsequent process of evolution. Theistic creation? Sure, works fine.

Panspermia (space)? Sure, works fine.

Natural origins? Sure, works fine.

The theory of evolution describes what occurs after self-replicating organisms get down to self-replicating.

678 posted on 03/17/2006 6:44:31 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Just mythoughts
I honestly do not know, but a guess and only a guess is 4 to 7 different couples.

Do you think thats enough DNA?

679 posted on 03/17/2006 6:46:22 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Coyoteman
Utter nonsense! What you godless, materialist, commie, sodomite, kiddie-porn producing, lake-of-fire-bound fools fail to realize, because your pathetic minds are mired in this base world of flesh, is that your "science" isn't applicable to the world before the Fall. I pity you. You will get what you deserve in the life to come, and I shall laugh! I am laughing now. LOL!!!!!
</creationism mode>
680 posted on 03/17/2006 6:48:47 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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