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A Bush Alarm: Urging U.S. to Shun Isolationism
NY Times ^

Posted on 03/13/2006 6:35:44 AM PST by NormB

"We're seeing it in everything," said one of Mr. Bush's closest aides last week. "Iraq. The ferocity of an irrational argument over the ports. Guest workers. China and India."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: bush; globalism; globalist; isolationism; term2
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To: Bikers4Bush
You can't talk tough about national security while doing nothing to stem the tide of lawbreakers that reside here and those that cross the border daily and expect to be taken seriously.

BTTT

He has lost his credibility. The Emperor has no clothes.

101 posted on 03/13/2006 6:11:42 PM PST by janetgreen (The White House fiddles while America is invaded)
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To: Sam the Sham; oceanview
There is a lot of meth in the heartland, but not all people with low IQ's turn to drugs. Some of them have surprisingly good sense about some things.

I'm not sure what you meant, but I don't like to think of them as losers just because they have low IQ's. Good input though, and partly true. We had a fire in one of our grand old hotels, luckily mainly confined to two windows (which were all you could see on tv), which is still not in a blighted area; they are trying to drive undesirables further out to bring in the tourists. Meth lab. Caught both the culprits, put lives in danger.

102 posted on 03/13/2006 6:16:21 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Sam the Sham

The Internet is a wonderful thing. Go forth and learn, instead of trumpeting your ignorance.


103 posted on 03/13/2006 6:59:55 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Aliska

Neither do I.

I just see a lot of FR hyper capitalist types on these threads who smugly boast about how only 'losers' have anything to fear from their precious free trade globalism.

I don't want a country with a net downwards standard of living.


104 posted on 03/13/2006 7:11:02 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

Name one.


105 posted on 03/13/2006 7:15:31 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Aliska
It took $12.50 to top off my tank of my small Honda the other day; it wasn't down to half yet. I'll suck it up, but it is going to start hurting and hurting bad. People who never before had problems are starting to feel the pinch heating their homes this winter.

Heh, that reminds me of an old cartoon I saw in Hustler Magazine (this was way before I got religion) when I was teenager. It showed a politician on TV saying "we need to tighten our belts and it showed a junky tightning a belt around his arm before he was going to shoot up with heroin. About that same time, 1981/82, I remember hearing about meth for the first time but the scary drug then was "angel dust." Wish I kept that cartoon, it sort of is appropriate now. Already our gas bill has gone up and a lot of people are complaining of price gouging. Where will it end?

One thing that really ticks me off is people always blaming unions. OK, I know there were times they have done some wrong things, I mean everybody does but it seems like they are the favorite whipping boy here. BTW, almost bedtime and I have to feed my almost 19 year old calico cat. B-)
106 posted on 03/13/2006 7:48:31 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Michael Savage for President - 2008!)
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To: Nowhere Man
smugly boast about how only 'losers' have anything to fear from their precious free trade globalism.

I'm starting to see a little different mood drift through here. No matter which side you are on, it is affecting all of us one way or another. People are seriously worried of what their children will face, even college is no guarantee that they will have gotten them prepared for a good and prosperous life.

Heh, that reminds me of an old cartoon I saw in Hustler Magazine

Heh, that's probably pretty tame compared to some of the stuff I've seen on the net, don't seek it out. I don't feel like talking the drug scene any more tonight. I didn't mean to whine about my gas. I'm lucky it wasn't 4 times that.

Where will it end? I have some dark visions (not literally). We have had locally the cops at three schools already and spring isn't even here. Disturbances with racial overtones. Cops are being assigned two to a car. Budget is so overtaxed they were talking of laying off some. Now this is no big thing where you are, but I am telling you that it was unheard of where I live until the last decade or so and may only get worse. Just kids fighting. Cops in schools? Not when I went to school. They called them once in awhile for an individual or couple, never a large problem. We came and went in safety (apart from kids driving crazy).

Your calico cat. I adore calico cats. Yours is getting up there. I lost mine in August, still miss her, she was the product of a calico shorthair and a Himalayan purebred. We sure had a bunch of beautiful cats from that mix. I'm just about of the cat "business". One left. Don't dare let them outside; their lives are shortened by years. Always wished I could live out somewhere where I could have several and they could go outside more. Then I found out once in awhile the coyotes or something gets them . . .guess there are some still around.

Sleep well. Think of something cheerful. Have a little fun. I think it speaks well of people who at least think and talk about the problems even if they can't do much about it. So many don't seem to care.

107 posted on 03/13/2006 9:49:32 PM PST by Aliska
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To: 1rudeboy; hedgetrimmer; A. Pole; Paul Ross; Alberta's Child; Toddsterpatriot; Sam the Sham

YOU SAID..."The Internet is a wonderful thing. Go forth and learn, instead of trumpeting your ignorance."

The Internet IS a great opportunity to learn. Its a chance for me to get educated in basic economics, for example.

Heres a basic economics type question, if you wouldnt mind taking the time to answer.

Lets consider the contries I am most interersted in....

US
China
India
Israel
Ireland
Poland

Now, using the Smith / Ricardo paradigms of Free Trade and Comparative Advantage, in what areas of trade do each of those countries have a Comparative Advantage relative to the others, as of today, in your opinion of course.

How do you see that changing in five years, if at all?


108 posted on 03/13/2006 9:50:29 PM PST by Dat Mon (Weldon, Shaffer, Philpott.......Men of Honor)
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To: Nowhere Man

Oh, unions. I don't like the corrupt ones, but they did serve their purpose. I'd rather put up with them and have the jobs back than where it is going now. We have all paid the price for the lost jobs in my area. You should see the replacement jobs. It is a pipe dream. Art galleries and gambling boats. We're having a lot of gambling addictions now. You didn't see much of that before. 1-800-BETSOFF.


109 posted on 03/13/2006 9:54:08 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Dat Mon
That is a fine question, and far from "basic." So much so, that I am unable to answer without a load of background research. I can't do it, sorry.

I will reply that everything is constantly changing.

110 posted on 03/14/2006 11:15:19 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
I believe in economic freedom as well as political freedom.

I agree with you, and wonder if there is such a thing as political freedom without economic freedom.

Look around us. As people lose their economic freedom, they lose the imagination necessary to elect anything beyond the norm, which is two parties that support the same policies. And these would be the policies that take decision-making away from us, in all aspects of our lives.

(Gosh, this is an interesting and stimulating thread...just like in the old days)

111 posted on 03/14/2006 11:34:27 AM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: grania
My have a point, but I would say that people in socialist countries like Sweden (to a certain extent Germany, France, etc.) do have political freedom. However, their economic freedom is severely constrained, which reduces their options in the way of political freedom. If I want to start a business in some of these countries, the red tape and costs are so prohibitive that it is not possible (where it would be in the US).
112 posted on 03/14/2006 11:40:50 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

You're right. Plus as these businesses get bigger they get boggier and employees bust out and start there own business. The access to startup capital is by far the best in the USA.

I think most of these protectionists are simply very insecure. I have traveled the world and I sense these people are rightly worried that there is some one in China, or Laos, or Vietnam, that simply works harder and smarter. The protectionists are basically insecure and/or lazy. There are millions of very high paying US jobs that go unfilled every day in the US because people are too stupid or too lazy to do them.

GIVING these lazy and stupid Americans jobs (through protectionism) when there is someone over seas dying to work just frosts me. I'm not talking about low paying labor either. There is a need right now for thousands and thousands of skilled workers in Florida. These jobs pay up to $100/per hour or more. You do need a skill, diligence, industriousness, and an education, but they are here in droves.


113 posted on 03/15/2006 5:43:49 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: purpleland

"America used to be totally self-sustaining in all economic areas'

When was that? Before or after the Boston Tea Party? Study some history dude.


114 posted on 03/15/2006 5:47:57 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: Red Boots

Bravo!


115 posted on 03/15/2006 5:49:28 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: Aliska

"It took $12.50 to top off my tank of my small Honda the other day;"

So what? Buy some oil stocks as a hedge. Big deal.


116 posted on 03/15/2006 5:56:05 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: lucysmom
"There is enough greed to go around from CEOs, whose pay and perks know no limit"

So what? They choose to be CEOs for the perks and $$$. You CHOOSE not to be a CEO and you do not have the perks etc. Your life is the result of YOUR chooses. I know many of these people and they work their buts off while you sit around and FReep. Quit whining about what you DO NOT have in guise of complaining about what others have. Plus the OWNERs of a company have the absolute right to pay their employees whatever they want. What is wrong with that? Do you think the Congress or a bunch of stupid, lazy, ignorant, envious FReepers should? Give me a break.
117 posted on 03/15/2006 6:04:53 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: Sunnyflorida
So what? Buy some oil stocks as a hedge. Big deal.

It was just an observation. I wasn't whining about it.

118 posted on 03/15/2006 6:05:37 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Sam the Sham

"Manufacturing what ? TV, VCRs, DVD player, computers ? How many of these things are manufactured in America anymore ?"

Don't like it? Start a business and quit complaining.


119 posted on 03/15/2006 6:05:51 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"It appears the "free traitors" think they have won."

No we have one. Get on the gravy train. Or get left behind.


120 posted on 03/15/2006 6:07:27 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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