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A Bush Alarm: Urging U.S. to Shun Isolationism
NY Times ^

Posted on 03/13/2006 6:35:44 AM PST by NormB

"We're seeing it in everything," said one of Mr. Bush's closest aides last week. "Iraq. The ferocity of an irrational argument over the ports. Guest workers. China and India."

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KEYWORDS: bush; globalism; globalist; isolationism; term2
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A couple of weeks ago an anti-Bush post generated a bunch of idiot posts regarding "zot" etc. Apparently if you can't say anything good about Bush you should not say anything at all.

At the time I claimed that Bush was not really conservative, but instead a total globalist. And I was right.

Bush bots unite!

Example, Levis moves all production out of America, china, india provide all service for the company. We sell crappy Levis Jeans to China and India, all the money stays in China and India and the pockets of Levis executives and stockholders. Good for America? Clearly not. Only good for the chosen few.

I am a capitalist, but there is going to be a fall out from all this, Companys will reap profits while scores of once employeed people go on welfare.

1 posted on 03/13/2006 6:35:47 AM PST by NormB
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To: A. Pole; Willie Green; hedgetrimmer; neutrino
His new theme is different, because it is all about interdependence. Two of his aides say the near defeat of the Central American Free Trade Agreement in Congress last summer — it passed by one vote, after arm-twisting by the president brought just enough Republicans back into the fold — jolted Mr. Bush into recognizing a new retreat from the world by his own party.

Bush is now going to start using the word "interdependence". How is it that we haven't been interdependent up till now?

2 posted on 03/13/2006 6:40:14 AM PST by raybbr
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To: NormB
Example, Levis moves all production out of America, china, india provide all service for the company. We sell crappy Levis Jeans to China and India, all the money stays in China and India and the pockets of Levis executives and stockholders.

The U.S. Treasury still gets its cut, though.

4 posted on 03/13/2006 6:42:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: NormB

If Bush was a globalist, then so was Reagan.


5 posted on 03/13/2006 6:42:48 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: NormB

In my opinion Bush and the talking heads that he has around him have created his coming irrelevance by refusing to take a heavy hand with respect to illegals and the border.

You can't talk tough about national security while doing nothing to stem the tide of lawbreakers that reside here and those that cross the border daily and expect to be taken seriously.

The result is that when you push for something like the ports deal your word is no longer good.


6 posted on 03/13/2006 6:43:51 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: NormB

"...but instead a total globalist. And I was right."

Corporatist globalist.

How long before our laws are completely conformed to global laws? Whatever is good for the corporations will be extended to our lives.

Value added tax, universal tax to support various UN initiatives (see France), and hamonization of social attitudes are all on the horizon.

Gold cards and no borders for cross nation labor transfer, taxing authority harmonized with Mexico and other countries, and the continued downward pressure on labor wages to harmonize with China and India.

Nice future for our children....sarc/


7 posted on 03/13/2006 6:44:53 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: NormB
I think this "globalism" debate is as irrational as religion or evolution debates.

The national interest demands that the debate be about the waste of National time and wealth in ANY form.

Foreign aid comes to mind.
Stopping decades-old practices that result in negative effects. e.g. aiding "palestinians"

8 posted on 03/13/2006 6:45:15 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: LdSentinal
Reagan is a hero because he placed tariffs on foreign motorcycles.
Bush is goat because he placed tariffs on foreign steel.

That's what passes for logic on these threads.

9 posted on 03/13/2006 6:46:10 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: LdSentinal
If Bush was a globalist, then so was Reagan

Won't matter, once the knee jerkers get stuck on a mantra, they are really stuck on it, even though this administartion has given the finger to the UN, more times than Reagan and Jeanne Kirkpatrick ever did.

10 posted on 03/13/2006 6:46:58 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

"example: GEICO. (General Electric Insurance Company)"

GEICO is Govt Employee Insurance Company, not too sure about the conection to GE either. Maybe the Aussie Gecko knows.


11 posted on 03/13/2006 6:47:21 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: NormB
I am a capitalist, but there is going to be a fall out from all this, Companys will reap profits while scores of once employeed people go on welfare.

Capitalism seems to work best when there are government constraints to keep a balance between various factions...workers, owners, communities, etc. It seems that the problem is that the corporations have superceded the governments, globally, that maintained the balance.

The thing is, it isn't really the Dubai deal that's the problem. The Dubai deal is the one that finally struck a chord with the public. We only truly have a nation if infrastructure and points of entry are controlled by the US and US-owned and operated corporations.

12 posted on 03/13/2006 6:48:34 AM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: NormB


What, exactly, is wrong with shunning isolationism?

The world has grown to small to be naive about our place in it. The dictates of the old world (i.e. Washington's farewell address to avoid foreign entanglements) is archaic.

It's not about being a Bushbot, it's about being right and fair about the facts.


13 posted on 03/13/2006 6:49:51 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: NormB

"Isolationism" is an improper diagnosis of several unrelated issues.

Anti-Iraq-War sentiment is fomented from the Left and their Media. It is an anti-Western Civilization anti-Bush movement.

The Ports reaction was a logical reaction to a deal unexplained by the Bush administration. Had they done their politics right (praising the UAE's help in the WOT, preparing the way with PR, noting that they run terminals, etc.) this would not have been a PR catastrophe. When the Administration's response to prima facie (sp?) issues was to call their opponents xenophobic, they hardened resistance.

"Guest Workers" is Orwellian double-speak for mass law breaking by illegal immigrants. Couple that with wholly unprotected borders through which Jihadists could easily slip, and you can see the Administration is willfully blind to the issue.

"China and India" conflates the strategic opponent with the strategic ally. There are many reasonable people who are concerned about the rise of a fascist nationalist (nominally communist) expansionist China, trade notwithstanding.

So that leaves their argument at India. If you shave off all the other red herrings, you are left with Willie Green, Pat Buchannan and a few other left-wing-nuts.

So hey Karl Rove: Quit blaming your poor PR and bad ideas on Isolationism. The only thing most of the foregoing issues have in common is the Administration's several and disparate malfeasance.


15 posted on 03/13/2006 6:52:57 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The Prophet Muhammed, Piss Be Upon Him)
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To: grania

Hear, hear.


16 posted on 03/13/2006 6:53:33 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: NormB

Just remember - no matter how righteous a dude W may appear to be - he is still his father's son and poppy was the guy who invoked the phrase "new world order" more than anyone esle of his era.


17 posted on 03/13/2006 6:53:54 AM PST by i.l.e. (Tagline - this space for sale....)
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To: grania

We need trade reciprocity now.


18 posted on 03/13/2006 6:55:03 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: NormB

All this port insanity simply proves the sheeple are willing to rush over the cliff.


19 posted on 03/13/2006 6:55:16 AM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: NormB
It is rare to find a politician that agrees with me on every major issue. I have supported Bush even though he has not acted as I would have acted as President. Did I vote for Bush because I disagreed with the other guy. No, but it did not hurt that Al Gore and John Kerry stood for the opposite of what I believe.

Bush good things:

1) National Security-Bush's basic policy has been right on target. The initial Iraqi CPA could have done better, but in a way that would be Monday Morning Quarterbacking. He has supported the Military.
2) Tax Cuts- The marginal rates needed cutting. We could have done without the stupid rebates, but I still agree.
3) Faith Based support- Yes, because it works
4) Supreme Court Nominations- Thank goodness Harriett didn't make it, but we got two new very good Justices.
5) Social Security Reform-I like private accounts, but unfortunately AARP rounded up the left and killed it. Still, he tried.

On the Negative:
1) No Child Left Behind was a big spending spree just to have standardized tests (I liked his first proposal, before Kennedy got involved).
2) Medicare Drug Benefits- Should have stuck to only helping the Poor at best.
3) Immigration- We need a barrier and more agents on the border, and more....
4) We need to balance the budget- The new Republican plan put forth (Mike Pense) is spot on.

On balance, I would love to have a President that meet all my goals, but will someone please show me a candidate that can be elected that meets all my goals? Reagan was the closest, but he still had to compromise with Tip O'Neil on some things.
20 posted on 03/13/2006 6:59:21 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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