Virginia County secretly removes Confederate flag from official seal

The Daily Press, Hampton Roads, VA ^ | March 2, 2006 | Associated Press

[Rebeleye]

The removal of the Confederate flag from Amherst County's official seal has upset Southern heritage groups, who contend residents weren't told of the change. County officials acknowledge the image was quietly removed in August 2004 to avoid an uproar.

[stand watie]

unlike SOME here you are intelligent enough to KNOW that the book exists, as a MAJOR boating magazine would NOT have devoted FOUR (4) pages of review to a NON-existent book.(your team member ADMITS that the magazine reviewed the BOOK. in point of fact, he is so clueLESS that he originally thought that the REVIEW of the book was THE BOOK!)

at least ONE of "the DY coven" is NOT smart enough to KNOW that. thus i "shunned him and neither READ nor RESPOND to his hate-FILLEED, ignorant & (i fear) KNOWINGLY false posts. (btw, i would be surprised if you are not HUMILIATED that he is "on your team".)

"the shunned one" is so clueLESS that he thinks that anything that he cannot find (or more likely does not WANT to find) on the "worldwideweird" just "can't be true". (my guess is that about HALF of what is posted on Internet sites is SIMPLISTIC, UN-knowledgeable, ignorant of the facts and/or INTENTIONALLY false.)

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

when you have essentially unlimited numbers of men,a HUGE industrial/manufacturing infrastructure, unlimited money & supplies AND are willing to win AT ANY PRICE (including closing your eyes to TENS of THOUSANDS of WAR CRIMES against UNarmed civilians), you don't have to be much of a general to win a war against a small, poor, under-supplied military force, no matter how motivated, brave or well-led.

free dixie,sw.

[stand watie]

inasmuch as yours appears to be composed solely of comic books, REVISIONIST/LEFTIST propaganda & FICTION, you might learn something at mine.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

EVERYBODY is every person,who has read your BILGE (and i fear, KNOWING LIES) on this forum.

stick to posting your usual OFF-point silliness, hate-FILLED personal attacks & DUMB cartoons. that is all you are seemingly capable of.

CRITICAL thought (or possession of KNOWLEDGE of the WBTS period) is obviously beyond you. BUT you do provide everyone here with someone to laugh out loud AT!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

well, NO as a matter of fact, my source is the data in the bibliography of Dr. Jurgen Thorwald's (LIGHTLY fictionalized historical novels. he states that NOTHING about the "medical portion" of the books is fiction. only the conversations among the players are "invented" AND "where possible are suggested by the published works, letters & memoirs of the physicians involved.) CENTURY OF THE SURGEON & THE TRIUMPH OF SURGERY.

those two novels (in the GERMAN language edition. i do NOT own, nor have i read, the US editions)are the only two books of fiction that i can remember reading that have BOTH a bibliography of sources AND copious footnotes. (my hunch is that Dr Thorwald wrote those books from his PhD dissertation.)

your documentation of your claims, otoh, is LACKING or ABSENT in virtually every case. my guess is that you HOPE that by attacking everyone else (who disagrees with your FALSE posts), will cause your readers to miss that you have FEW or NO facts "on your side".

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

TRUE!

but remember, despite his education & functioning brain (the ONLY one who has BOTH,among the unionist contingent!), N-S is the Minister of DAMNyankee PROPAGANDA.

N-S posts NOTHING more & nothing less than constant PROPAGANDA!

according to N-S everything ever done since the beginning of time by yankees is PERFECT & everything ever done in history by a southerner is FLAWED.

even when i have presented him with the ACTUAL DATA from official US government & DOD sources, he simply evades/denies/spews out MORE propaganda.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

frankly, i believe NOTHING (absent independent verification facts) that you post.

all i've seen from you was BILGE, lies, ignorant rantings & personal attacks on dixie, her heroes,her symbols & upon the members of the dixie contingent here on FR.

NOTHING you post requires thought or an education.

free dixie,sw

[Heyworth]

But he is getting a football scholarship, to an Ivy League College.

You must be very proud. And could you BE any more Texan? Seriously, that's very cool.

[Heyworth]

nlike SOME here you are intelligent enough to KNOW that the book exists, as a MAJOR boating magazine would NOT have devoted FOUR (4) pages of review to a NON-existent book.)?

Okay, enough of this. I have a xeroxed copy of the article. It's not a great copy, because it was bound into a big volume and I couldn't get the bound side down very flat, and it was a public library copier, but it is legible. I'll be more than happy to fax a copy of it to anyone who wants it. The article isn't a book review. It's a decent article about the USCG's civilian picket patrol along the east coast. It doesn't say anything about Texas sending out privateers on its own, or a captured U-Boat in Galveston.

(your team member ADMITS that the magazine reviewed the BOOK. in point of fact, he is so clueLESS that he originally thought that the REVIEW of the book was THE BOOK!

Again you lie.

Anyone who wants the article, I'll be happy to fax a copy. Just freepmail me.

[Heyworth]

my source is the data in the bibliography of Dr. Jurgen Thorwald's (LIGHTLY fictionalized historical novels

Okay, my head's about to explode. YOUR SOURCE IS A GERMAN HISTORICAL NOVEL?????

e only two books of fiction that i can remember reading that have BOTH a bibliography of sources AND copious footnotes.

Read some Allen Eckert.

(in the GERMAN language edition. i do NOT own, nor have i read, the US editions)

Covering your bases in case someone has a copy? You're certainly ready with quotations from it.

your documentation of your claims, otoh, is LACKING or ABSENT in virtually every case

Documentation, you're wanting? Something that trumps a German historical novel? Let's start with Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin

"Heroin was first synthesized in 1874 by C.R. Alder Wright, a British chemist working at St. Mary's Hospital Medical School, London. He had been experimenting with combining morphine with various acids. He boiled anhydrous morphine alkaloid with acetic anhydride over a stove for several hours and produced a less potent, acetylated form of morphine. We now call it diacetylmorphine. The compound was sent to F.M. Pierce of Owens College, Manchester, for analysis. He reported the following to Wright:
Doses … were subcutaneously injected into young dogs and rabbits … with the following general results … great prostration, fear, and sleepiness speedily following the administration, the eyes being sensitive, and pupils dilated, considerable salivation being produced in dogs, and slight tendency to vomiting in some cases, but no actual emesis. Respiration was at first quickened, but subsequently reduced, and the heart's action was diminished, and rendered irregular. Marked want of coordinating power over the muscular movements, and loss of power in the pelvis and hind limbs, together with a diminution of temperature in the rectum of about 4°(rectal failure) [2]"

"Felix Hoffmann, of Bayer in Elberfeld, Germany created Heroin as a medicine 11 days after inventing Aspirin. Afraid of the possible side effects of Aspirin Bayer registered Heroin (meaning 'heroic' from the German word heroisch. It was chosen because in field studies people using the medicine felt 'heroic') as a trademark. From 1898 through to 1910 it was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children. As with Aspirin, Bayer lost some of its trademark rights to Heroin following World War I."

Admit, it Watie..you're on this stuff, aren't you?

[4CJ]

"Felix Hoffmann, of Bayer in Elberfeld, Germany created Heroin as a medicine 11 days after inventing Aspirin [Aug 1987].

NC REALITY CHECK! See http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/pharm/asp/fh.htm

An application for a German patent was rejected, because in fact acetylsalicylic acid was not a new substance, having been first synthesized in 1853 by French chemist Charles Gerhardt, in impure form, and later in crystalline form by German chemist Carl J. Kraut.

But even then, it was not a new discovery, only a concentration of the existng compound:

Hoffmann was searching for a medicine to ease his father's rheumatism pains when he acetylated salicylic acid, the active principle in salves and teas made from willow bark and certain other plant materials. Since antiquity, the pain-relieving and fever-reducing properties of willow bark were well known, and in the early nineteenth century, salicylic acid was isolated from it by several chemists.

[Heyworth]

And as I said, salicylic acid is different than aspirin. Watie didn't tell us that Grant was using willow bark tea, or willow bark salve. He wasn't even using acetylsalicylic acid as synthesized by the Gerhardt or Kraut, since those weren't developed into a product. No, what Watie said was that Grant was taking aspirin.

But since you've selected that particular source, which does nothing to contradict anything I've said, I'll point out that the same source exposes Watie's fabrication about the invention of heroin. "Like aspirin, heroin had already been discovered in 1874 by English chemist C.R.A. Wright,"

[Heyworth]

And why are you pinging nolu chan?

[TexConfederate1861]

I am very proud. My son wanted to go to my alma mater, UT Austin, but Bowdoin will be paying 39,000 a year, so who can argue with that?

When he graduates, he will have dual degrees from Bowdoin and Columbia.

And if my son just HAS to go to a "Yankee" school, that would be my pick. :) The only thing that worries me is that the school seems way too liberal for my taste.

[4CJ]

While it is fun to pretend we were one country, playtime is over. It is clear that the CC was not acting on thier own in best interest of Farber's figmented newborn nation, though it's possible that Louis caught them on a day when their collective normative aura lacked it's normal secret forms of legal potency.

ROTF! Besides FOUNDERS and Supreme Justices Paterson and Blair cited previously, there are a few more interesting decisions.

On 23 Feb 1808, Justice William Cushing of Massachusetts and the court held,

[Daniel Coxe] remained in the state of New-Jersey, not only after she [New Jersey] had declared herself a sovereign state, but after she had passed laws by which she pronounced him to be a member of, and in allegiance to the new government. The court entertains no doubt that after the 4th of October, 1776, he became a member of the new society, entitled to the protection of its government, and bound to that government by the ties of allegiance.

This opinion is predicated upon a principle which is believed to be undeniable, that the several states which composed this union, so far at least as regarded their municipal regulations became entitled, from the time when they declared themselves independent, to all the rights and powers of sovereign states, and that they did not derive them from concessions made by the British king. The treaty of peace contains a recognition of their independence, not a grant of it. From hence it results, that the laws of the several state governments were the laws of sovereign states, and as such were obligatory upon the people of such state, from the time they were enacted.
McIlvaine v. Coxe's Lessee, 8 Cranch 209, 211-212 (1808)

[Non-Sequitur]

You misunderstood. One can be a General that is cold when makig battlefield decisions, and still be honorable. Grant had honor.

Yeah, I know. You said that. You've made it clear that in your opinion Grant was an honorable butcher who didn't give a damn for the lives of his men. Though what you think that qualified is going to do to change the over-all theme of your posts is beyond me.

[Non-Sequitur]

NOPE. what i posted was FACT.

What you pointed was fantasy. The product of that little voice in your head that says, "Hey stand. Lookie here. I found us another fact you can use."

[Non-Sequitur]

unlike SOME here you are intelligent enough to KNOW that the book exists, as a MAJOR boating magazine would NOT have devoted FOUR (4) pages of review to a NON-existent book...

No, stand, like everyone else here I'm convinced you made it up.

[Non-Sequitur]

when you have essentially unlimited numbers of men,a HUGE industrial/manufacturing infrastructure, unlimited money & supplies AND are willing to win AT ANY PRICE (including closing your eyes to TENS of THOUSANDS of WAR CRIMES against UNarmed civilians), you don't have to be much of a general to win a war against a small, poor, under-supplied military force, no matter how motivated, brave or well-led.

The gist of that farrago of southron blather, near as I can tell, is the admission that Lee and the south did not care enough about their cause to do what it took to win. Right?

[Non-Sequitur]

Read some Allen Eckert.

"Wild Season"..."The Silent Spring"...The Crossbreed"..."The Great Auk"...Nodbody does nature novels like Eckert does.