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AP: AC-130 Gunships Returning to Iraq
Yahoo/AP ^ | March 3, 2006 | CHARLES J. HANLEY

Posted on 03/03/2006 10:41:34 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

AN AIR BASE IN IRAQ - The U.S. Air Force has begun moving heavily armed AC-130 airplanes — the lethal "flying gunships" of the Vietnam War — to a base in Iraq as commanders search for new tools to counter the Iraqi resistance, The Associated Press has learned.

An AP reporter saw the first of the turboprop-driven aircraft after it landed at the airfield this week. Four are expected.

The Iraq-based special forces command controlling the AC-130s, the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, said it would have no comment on the deployment. But the plan's general outline was confirmed by other Air Force officers, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Military officials warned that disclosing the location of the aircraft's new base would violate security provisions of rules governing media access to U.S. installations.

The four-engine gunships, whose home base is Hurlburt Field in Florida, have operated over Iraq before, flying from airfields elsewhere in the region. In November 2004, air-to-ground fire from AC-130s supported the U.S. attack that took the western city of Fallujah from insurgents. Basing the planes inside Iraq will cut hours off their transit time to reach suspected targets.

The left-side ports of the AC-130s, 98-foot-long planes that can slowly circle over a target for long periods, bristle with a potent arsenal — 40 mm cannon that can fire 120 rounds per minute, and big 105 mm cannon, normally a field artillery weapon. The plane's latest version, the AC-130U, known as "Spooky," also carries Gatling gun-type 20 mm cannon.

The gunships were designed primarily for battlefield use to place saturated fire on massed troops. In Vietnam, for example, they were deployed against North Vietnamese supply convoys along the Ho Chi Minh Trail, where the Air Force claimed to have destroyed 10,000 trucks over several years.

The use of AC-130s in places like Fallujah, urban settings where insurgents may be among crowded populations of noncombatants, has been criticized by human rights groups.

The slow-moving AC-130s also offer an intelligence gathering advantage in the Iraq fight: sophisticated long-range video, infrared and radar sensors.

American commanders are marshaling all available tools to detect the Iraqi insurgents' stealthy operations, especially at night, when they plant roadside bombs targeting American road patrols and convoys.

The Air Force's senior tactical commander in Iraq said the AC-130 can be both a high-intensity and low-intensity weapon.

"It's got tons of guns, and it's got all kinds of stuff on it that can be applied to the problems you have," Brig. Gen. Frank Gorenc, who refused to discuss the current AC-130 deployment, said in an AP interview.

That "stuff" includes "the ability to take these high-tech pods and to use them to find guys planting (bombs) and to find other nefarious activity," he said.

The Predator drone — the MQ-1 unmanned aerial vehicle — has been a reconnaissance workhorse in Iraq, but Air Force officers say they don't have enough to meet demand for missions. The fiscal 2007 Defense Department budget proposed last month by the Bush administration envisions spending $1.6 billion on additional reconnaissance drones.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ac130s; c130; gnfi; iraq; oif; traitormedia; usaf
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Heh...How close is Iran?


21 posted on 03/03/2006 10:51:02 AM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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To: Spktyr
The AC-47 "Spooky" was the aircraft used in Vietnam

I thought the "Spooky" was the AC-130U?
22 posted on 03/03/2006 10:51:05 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Learn from the past, don't live in it.)
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To: skeeter

I would be more worried if they did not bring in more fire power. These things are useless without targets. Apparently, targets will be flushed and eliminated.


23 posted on 03/03/2006 10:51:21 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Cone of Fire bump!


24 posted on 03/03/2006 10:51:26 AM PST by Toby06 (Check out my revised profile!)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
This redeployment will save a lot of soldiers lives , to have tac - air on call from AC-130s

Good move!

AC-130's "dragon breath" in Vietnam: Image hosting by Photobucket

25 posted on 03/03/2006 10:51:32 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Spktyr

The AC-130 was fully operational during Vietnam, just not in the current form. Over the course of the Vietnam war, the guns got bigger (and fewer), but it was most certainly in operation.


26 posted on 03/03/2006 10:52:00 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Spktyr
It looks like it got some service in Vietnam, at least according to Wikipedia
• Entered service: AC-130H: 1972 (AC-130U: 1995) The AC-130 gunship has a combat history dating to the Vietnam War, where it replaced the AC-47 and the AC-119.

27 posted on 03/03/2006 10:52:23 AM PST by elfman2
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To: skeeter

I'm thinking that this might be in response to: "al Qaeda Plotting 'Big Bang' in Iraq..."


28 posted on 03/03/2006 10:52:36 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: Spktyr
I think that was "Puff." Spooky is currently in service.
29 posted on 03/03/2006 10:54:09 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
The planes have been there almost from beginning. No. 1 son a Marine grunt in Fallujah and Ramadi on two separate tours. Saw and heard 'em used.
30 posted on 03/03/2006 10:55:07 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: Red Badger

Right on the gulf, right?


31 posted on 03/03/2006 10:56:11 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: HEY4QDEMS
The original AC 47 "Puff" flew in the Vietnam war. "Spooky" was an update to that aircraft.

The AC 130U "Spooky"is the latest weapons platform for that aircraft.

32 posted on 03/03/2006 10:56:53 AM PST by afnamvet (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted; Reformat WASH_DC (Y/N)?)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

A time exposure taken by USAF Captain Ralph Jones from a Saigon rooftop
showing a pair of 'Spooky' gunships at work on Vietcong positions in Saigon,.
during the 1968 Tet Offensive. (U.S. Air Force photo)

33 posted on 03/03/2006 10:56:54 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: HEY4QDEMS

To the best of my knowledge, the AC-47 didn't have an official nickname, but the troops called it "Spooky" or "Puff, The Magic Dragon."

The AC-130H's official nickname is "Spectre". The AC-130U's name is "Spooky II".

And I have to retact what I said earlier - the first AC-130 was deployed in 1972.


34 posted on 03/03/2006 10:57:57 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Dallas59

Hmmmm... that was my first thought as well.


35 posted on 03/03/2006 11:00:19 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Spktyr

Yep.
Originally deployed for firebase support but retasked to the Ho Chi Minh trail through Laos as supply interdiction.


36 posted on 03/03/2006 11:01:27 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Spktyr
"Puff, The Magic Dragon."

That was it. It was one Bad Dude.

37 posted on 03/03/2006 11:01:31 AM PST by DeaconRed (IF . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Spktyr
No problem, I'm no expert on aircraft so that's why I asked.

Fortunately for me I was correct which means I might have to bookmark this thread to prove to my wife that at least sometimes I'm right.
38 posted on 03/03/2006 11:02:01 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Learn from the past, don't live in it.)
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To: bill1952

47 was puff, the 130 at that time was super puff.


39 posted on 03/03/2006 11:02:20 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: TheDon

Seems like a lot of firepower to deal with terrorists planting IEDs.


40 posted on 03/03/2006 11:03:57 AM PST by babaloo
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