Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.
The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.
But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.
Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.
"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"
Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.
"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.
The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.
Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.
Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.
But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.
Which post is it you are referring to? Maybe it is a plague. A plague of crickets.
Ever wonder why people have been asking that question for ages? Because intellectually "that's just the way God did it" doesn't cut any mustard.
The specific claim was that the Gospel of Mark was entered into a court of law as testimony, after I explained how it is not eyewitness testimony, but merely hearsay of alleged testimony. The citation you offer does not refer to the Gospel of Mark.
Thou shalt not mock the FSM!
May his Noodly Appendage smite thee!
Ol' Genghis had a lot more than 3 women available to impregnate. In polygyny a Y chromosome can spread very effectively.
You place your trust in a different set of information than do I. I do not consider the fossil record to be a localized event, but stark evidence of a global deulge resulting in global death (with the exception of some who were saved).
Was that hiding evidence of a murder?
No.
Or is it possible for me to put a dog down and it not be murder?
Putting a dog down is not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. A dog is not a human being. If you do not understand the definition of murder, I would suggest not getting into legal arguments.
How come no one else has -thons???
Or <sigh>"misunderstood" or "poorly copied"...
I choose to believe the evidence. If Scripture, or any interpretation of Scripture, does not match reality, then accepting that Scripture over reality is the very definition of insanity.
You can throw Bible verses around all you like; using the Bible to support the Bible is a circular argument. And, notice the easy out it gives you: "We're right, and everyone else is wrong -- and if those others say we're wrong, they're lying and going to Hell, regardless of any evidence they have to back up their assertions."
Note: the Bible doesn't actually have to answer any hard questions this way. It can simply assert that God did it in a particular manner and anyone questioning that has to be evil. Can you not see the problems inherent in this approach?
Just more evidence that organized religion is a confidence game used to milk the gullible and the vulnerable.
Fibonacci would just count the number of females and conclude that the population rate would be exponential with the base being the golden ratio, and the time intervals would be some constant "generation". Not a good model, but it does have the value of being easy to solve.
Which, I guess, makes it a good model.
Too bad!
NIV Psalms 18:30
As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.
NIV Psalms 145:17
The LORD is righteous in all his ways and loving toward all he has made.
NIV Isaiah 55:8-9
8. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
9. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
That doesn't change the fact that HE was just ONE man!
And using Evoultion to support Evolution is - what?
Ol' Solomon had HOW many wives and concubines?
Likewise, it is not possible for God to be guilty of the murder of a human being.
"We are His people and the sheep of His pasture..."
He can take my life or your life this very instant, and it would be entirely appropriate because He is the overseer of creation.
Faint praise, but ambitious of you, nonetheless.
I then went on to take (learn and enjoy) linear algebra and population dynamics which is ENTIRELY math based.
Reminds me of a story. There is a mathematician chatting with a physicist at a party. He asked the physicist what was the work for which he won his Nobel Prize. The physicist goes into a long-winded explanation of the details of his theory. The mathematician ponders for a brief moment and responds, "So you inverted a matrix."
Probably a true story. Gallian's Abstract Algebra book describes how physicists made a breakthrough when they discovered that matrices don't commute. Go figure.
I then went on to earn a MS in Population modeling, which, as I'm sure you know, is a biological discipline based entirely one two things: EVOLUTION and MATH.
Population dynamics,... I'm not familiar with the term, but I'm sure it uses some very sophisticated stochastic differential equations. So, in your classes, do you prove the theorems of Ito calculus from measure theory directly, or do you just take Brownian motion as a given?
We have 300,000,000 in the USoA now.
I'll bet the Indians sure didn't expect THAT when them 3 boats first landed, just over 500 years ago!!
Not really relevant. If Genghis had not impregnated them, someone else probably would have, so the reproduction rate would have been the same.
Wouldn't have worked with only three breeding age females to start with.
"Which post is it you are referring to? Maybe it is a plague. A plague of crickets."
Again, you run away instead of answering. Typical Uncle Fester tactics.
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