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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: ml1954

manuscripts, archaeology, fulfilled prophecy and statistics


541 posted on 02/28/2006 4:11:17 PM PST by pby
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To: pby

lol, official brew of the evo cheerleading squad


542 posted on 02/28/2006 4:11:24 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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To: pby
Do you have evidence that these springs did not burst forth contributing to the flood?

Such springs exist in the same sense that invisible pink unicorns exist.

As I say, I have nothing against believing in miracles as long as you don't make false statements about the physical world.

543 posted on 02/28/2006 4:16:05 PM PST by js1138
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To: phantomworker
Why do I find that so extremely funny!! ROFL! (maybe 'cuz I'm listening to an online systems engineering class through USC? It must be mind-warping. LOL!)

Very punny! Thanks!

I guess you're just a sucker for this stuff then?

544 posted on 02/28/2006 4:18:05 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Stultis
So...given all of these translations Stultis, what was Jesus's exact route and where exactly was He in the region of Decapolis?

In order to help the good Professor make his ultimate point (that Mark's report is inaccurate), you are going to have to, at least, answer those two questions.

In addition to that you will have to provide evidence that Jesus didn't go from Tyre, to Sidon, by the Sea of Galilee to the region/district/boundary of Decapolis as Mark said.

Nice map though.

545 posted on 02/28/2006 4:21:41 PM PST by pby
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To: js1138
What is meant by "springs" and how do you know that none exist or that none ever existed?

Are there not huge/massive under ground lakes?

546 posted on 02/28/2006 4:23:57 PM PST by pby
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To: js1138

And how do you know that this is a false statement (springs of the deep bursting forth) about the physical world?


547 posted on 02/28/2006 4:26:40 PM PST by pby
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To: pby

manuscripts, archaeology, fulfilled prophecy and statistics

Sounds like the same things Muslims say about the Koran.

548 posted on 02/28/2006 4:28:10 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: AmishDude
The "calculus" is often a special course watered down specificially for the biologists, if they are required to take it at all. It's a recipe course. Plug and chug.

Dude, you are embarrassing yourself. Take it from this Biology major - I took Calculus right next to the physicists and engineers. I then went on to take (learn and enjoy) linear algebra and population dynamics which is ENTIRELY math based. I then went on to earn a MS in Population modeling, which, as I'm sure you know, is a biological discipline based entirely one two things: EVOLUTION and MATH.

dumbass.
549 posted on 02/28/2006 4:30:31 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: Right Wing Professor
"I can prove that it's like going from D.C. to New York via Boston."

Decapolis is a huge area, with some of it bordering near the Sea of Galilee...How are you going to do that?

Do you know exactly where Jesus was in the region/district/border of Decapolis?

550 posted on 02/28/2006 4:31:35 PM PST by pby
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To: ml1954
"Sounds like the same things Muslims say about the Koran."

Funny...I've never heard a Muslim say the same things (I wouldn't debate the wrong Muslim though...you may win the argument but come up missing certain life sustaining body parts via the edge of a dull knife.)

Have you ever done an actual comparitive analysis?

Or is that dismissive as quick and casual as it appears?

551 posted on 02/28/2006 4:36:49 PM PST by pby
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To: Coyoteman
Yeah, I am just a sucker for a pretty face this funny stuff. There must be some intelligence involved in that humor, don't you think? I know how you guys leave some of the less highly evolved in the dust (ie creationists LOL!).
552 posted on 02/28/2006 4:41:37 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: pby
Muslims have their own ' manuscripts, archaeology, fulfilled prophecy and statistics' as evidence. I'd advise not arguing with them about it for the reasons you mentioned. Plus they cite faith, which you didn't.

At any rate, can you prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that Mohammed was not the prophet the Muslims say he is and that what he wrote is not the Word Of Allah?
553 posted on 02/28/2006 4:45:02 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: longshadow
Festival of Tractionless Bloviating Disruptor Trolls placemarker

Looks like it.

554 posted on 02/28/2006 4:45:04 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

It does seem odd that evolution, as opposed to other notions, has lately been singled out for special treatment by legislatures. Why is that? Why isn't the general public clamoring against teaching the theory of gravity as "just a theory?"


555 posted on 02/28/2006 4:50:02 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Stultis; pby; Right Wing Professor; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Tim Long; Matchett-PI; Elsie
Then he returned from the region of Tyre, and went through Sidon to the Sea of Galilee, through the region of the Decapolis.

Mark is careful to tell us this took place in the area called the Decapolis, the ten Greek cities on the eastern side of the Sea of Galilee. And he points out that Jesus went into this region in a rather strange way. Instead of coming directly back into Galilee, he left Tyre and Sidon and went by a northern route through what is presently the country of Syria, and continued down the eastern side of the Sea of Galilee into the southern part of that region. It would be very much like starting out for Los Angeles from San Francisco, but going by way of Reno and Las Vegas. Many scholars feel that this journey took about eight months, so that he spent a long time in the Gentile regions ministering to those who were not Jews.

For Christians, those who have ears to hear, in the middle of this section is the pericope re the Syrophenician woman, thus the geography.

556 posted on 02/28/2006 4:58:34 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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To: PatrickHenry; longshadow; Coyoteman
Festival of Tractionless Bloviating Disruptor Trolls placemarker

That's almost as funny as the puns.

Maybe you need to attach a dictionary to some of the posts and the trolls will go away.
One entry found for bloviate.
Function: intransitive verb
: to speak or write verbosely and windily - blo·vi·a·tion /"blO-vE-'A-sh&n/ noun

557 posted on 02/28/2006 5:04:03 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: zeeba neighba; Stultis; pby; Right Wing Professor; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Tim Long; ...
Author! Author!

Finally, something well-written from the troll. And if his name's Ray C. Stedman, it's not even plagiarism.

558 posted on 02/28/2006 5:05:53 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

It's commentary, but thanks for the link.


559 posted on 02/28/2006 5:08:05 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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To: Coyoteman; phantomworker

Better to have a whale of a good time than whale on each other and say you're anemone of mine.


560 posted on 02/28/2006 5:09:25 PM PST by From many - one.
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