Posted on 02/21/2006 8:47:54 AM PST by wjersey
CLEVELAND
A federal grand jury has indicted three Ohio men on charges of planning attacks on U.S. military personnel in Iraq, according to an indictment.
The three men, who all lived in Toledo within the last year, were arrested over the weekend, said Assistant U.S. Attorney David Bauer in Toledo. The indictment was unsealed Monday.
They were to be arraigned in federal courts in Cleveland and Toledo on Tuesday afternoon.
The suspects recruited others to train for a violent holy war against the United States and its allies in Iraq, the indictment said. The group traveled together to a shooting range to practice shooting guns and studied how to make explosives, the indictment said.
Definately beginning to look like a pro...
Thanks!! So that I don't miss anything, I really should write all the 'facts' down before I make my posts....
Just start a checkoff list.
It's Bush's fault, check
Haliburton was involved, check
It fits a pattern, check
They don't provide timely information, check
LOL, just have fun with it.
Later.
Holy Toledo!!!
I will print your post and tape it to my monitor so that I remember who's truly at fault here and won't have to write fifty times 'Bush's fault' to turn in tomorrow...
Glad to be of help...
"I've heard this before and have searched the Constitution for this authority. I have written my congressmen and three Presidents to try and find out what clause granted the executive the authority to over ride law."
Article II Section 2 "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States and of the militia of the several states, when called into the Service of the United States.
FISA came after this, and FISA can not interfere with it or overrule it. Your suggestion that the President has "authority to over ride" law is backwards. The constitution comes first. The only way to override the constitution is by an amendment to the constitution. If our system of Government was the way you depict it, there would be no need for a constitution at all. We could simply make any law we wanted at any time to override the constitution.
If you read the preamble, it starts with "We the People of the United States", further it distinguishes between law enforcement "establish justice" and war "provide for the common defense". Criminal law and war were distinguished here and at other locations in the constitution. It is clear that the founders did not confuse the 2.
"The first sentance was a quote from another poster to which I responded as above."
The first sentence that you had in reply 123 was Peach quoting someone else at the time FISA was made.
"Even Carter's Attorney General made a statement, when Carter signed FISA into law, that this in no way took away the Constitutional authority of the presiden to override the new law if the president thought it was necessary to protect the citizens of the country."
Your first statement: ""I've heard this before and have searched the Constitution for this authority. I have written my congressmen and three Presidents to try and find out what clause granted the executive the authority to over ride law." was what I responded to. A law by Congress can not override the Constitution. The Constitution can not be overriden by FISA. The President already has authority to ignore this law regarding war. I don't care if someone from the Carter administration thinks that somehow is overriding the FISA law, it is not, FISA can not override the constitution.
The three men, who all lived in Toledo...
Please tell me Jaimie Farr wasn't one of them!!!
"I believe that you have misunderstood my position. That is exactly the point I was making.
GE"
I don't think you did make the same point as I did. I stated that the constitution can not be overridden by a law like FISA. You stated: "I believe that you have misunderstood my position. That is exactly the point I was making.
GE"
Clearly you think that FISA overrides the constitution and should be amended by Congress and the courts should now be made to come in to sign warrants before the President can act as Commander in Chief during war.
Peach, see post 151 also.
Actually David Besse is just east of Toledo, on Lake Erie, about 1 hour from Sandusky.
The trio of Muslim men thought no one would notice.Two things of note here:They had been shooting at targets, learning to build suicide-bomber vests and seeking chemical explosives for months, federal officials charge.
So as Toledo geared up to celebrate July Fourth last year, investigators said, the men figured it was the perfect time to test their explosives in the city's shadows. Surely their neighbors wouldn't notice a few extra kabooms amid the fireworks.
The men were wrong.
Muslims in Toledo had tipped off the FBI even before July 4. A federal indictment unsealed Tuesday charged the men -- Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Wassim I. Mazloum -- with conspiracy and other crimes, accusing them of secretly plotting to aid and to join the insurgency battling U.S.-led coalition forces in Iraq.
(cont'd)
1) Their Muslim neighbors informed on them. So much for Muslims never saying anything about terrorism.
2) Their intent was to commit terrorist acts in Iraq moreso than in America. This supports the "flypaper" theory vis a vis our involvement in Iraq.
-Eric
Thank you for posting that out. I hope that some of the knee-jerk "all-Muslims-are-evil-and-deserve-to-die" crowd sees this.
By the way, in Iraq locals inform on terrorists all the time. At a very great risk to themselves and to their families.
Ask any soldier who works over here in an intel capacity.
"By the way, in Iraq locals inform on terrorists all the time. At a very great risk to themselves and to their families."
That can't possibly be true because we never hear about it and we know that muslims are all the same. Plus, I'm sure someone here knows better and will quote the koran or hadith and tell us that muslims aren't allowed to turn in their muslim neighbors. Hence, the people you're talking about aren't muslims. They're muslim impersonators. And btw, you must be muslim yourself and just lying to us infidels.
Need I say sarcasm off?
As tired as I am, I didn't even need the "sarcasm off" to enjoy that. ;-)
I can't believe it took 144 posts for this. ;o)
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