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Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam's WMD
Newsmax.com ^ | February 19, 2006 | Kenneth R. Timmerman

Posted on 02/20/2006 11:29:29 PM PST by Thunder90

A top Pentagon official who was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq, has provided the first-ever account of how Saddam Hussein "cleaned up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles to prevent the United States from discovering them.

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).

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To: Thunder90
the democrats/media are more concerned with whether I own a gun than they are about getting to the truth on the WMD.

They know the WMD exists, but jumped the gun on denying it.

I foresee some great campaign commercials just before the election. Positively identifying this WMD is the worst possible thing that could ever happen to the dumbocrats.
21 posted on 02/21/2006 4:31:11 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: Thunder90

But, But, but,..... Russia said Saddam didn't have any WMD..... That's why they were against the war....

Oh wait, that was half true. Saddam didn't have any WMD, after Russia moved them for him...


22 posted on 02/21/2006 5:01:41 AM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: Thunder90
It's amazing to me that Bush and his Admin. would be willing to suffer the slings and arrows from the Left in order to protect our diplomatic relations with Russia, China and France. The 'great political divide' in this country is a direct result of these non-actions but, it only festered in those who hated Bush in the first place.
23 posted on 02/21/2006 5:10:58 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: CyberAnt
re :And .. it proves what Israeli intel satellite photos showed .. huge Russian trucks moving equipment and stockpiles into Syria just a few weeks before we began the thunder run into Baghdad!

If I remember correctly and I am sure I do. The equipment and the bases were under constant surveillance from American air based and space based resources.

Why was this not flagged up at the time.

The movement of all this material would of been noticed and recorded. Why is it the only people who mention this are ex employees of the Pentagon and White House

Is this a real smoking gun or operation muddy the waters.

24 posted on 02/21/2006 5:16:11 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: afz400
re :The obvious question is if we know where they are why haven't we done anything to confiscate them.

That is my take on this situation.

We went to war to remove Saddam and to remove the threat of a Nuclear Chemical or Biological Armed Iraq.

The fact there were no WMD found in Iraq has had a major world wide impact on the continuation of the War on Terror.

Our Intelligence agencies have been made to look like idiots at best liars at worst.

It has been a thorn in the side of many governments who want to support the war on terror more fully.

If this is true it is up to the President to go live with this information, citing dates,timings movements and locations.

25 posted on 02/21/2006 5:25:42 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Coop

Ping


26 posted on 02/21/2006 5:45:53 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: TDCAnalyst

Ping


27 posted on 02/21/2006 6:13:23 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

BTTT


28 posted on 02/21/2006 6:34:07 AM PST by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: Thunder90

This will be ignored as righwingnut craziness by anyone but us.


29 posted on 02/21/2006 6:39:03 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I might be wrong, but I'm always right.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

There is a question that really needs to be asked.

If all the RATS jumped on the "there was no WMD" bandwagon at the same time, who told them that the WMD wasn't there?

I mean, "there is WMD, there is WMD, there is WMD, there are no WMD's in Iraq." Someone told the RATS because they changed their tune very quickly and used it to try and kill Bush's reelection. So who told them and when were they told?


30 posted on 02/21/2006 7:15:39 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: IrishMike

Russia is no friend to the US. All they did was change a geo political global military strategy for a geo political global financial strategy. It was easier to give up all those nations, consolidate, earn enough money to make the elite wealthy and then regroup.

Gee, they have religion there now and some people are making money. Meanwhile they are clamping down on free speech and stealing elections. Wait, that is what the RATS are doing here.


31 posted on 02/21/2006 7:19:11 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: tonycavanagh

"re :The obvious question is if we know where they are why haven't we done anything to confiscate them."

Look at the politics. If I was a RAT operative if we found them in Lebanon I would go nuts and say how do we know we have them all? In Iraq we knew where they were and Hussein was isolated. That would not only scare people it would embolden the terrorists.

It was politically cheaper for Bush to know that they are secure out of country. Remember, he did the right thing and has the law on his side. All the RATS have is conjecture, innuendo and lies that could all be disproven.


32 posted on 02/21/2006 7:22:46 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: Thunder90
More proof that Russia is our "Friend
And more proof that Bush was/is being advised to "soft pedal" on rogue state WMD double dealing by the Russians. Sacrificing his own credibility and that of his ostensible political party and the USA in the process. Oh and throwing the credibility of Tony Blair over the side, too.

Will history show Bush's silence and "blind eye" to have been advantageous? Somehow I doubt it.
33 posted on 02/21/2006 7:31:35 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Thunder90

More proof that Russia is our "Friend"==

More like conspiracy theory. Already posted here. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1581496/posts


34 posted on 02/21/2006 7:31:58 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: tonycavanagh

"Why was this not flagged up at the time."


IIRC - It was part of Powell's report to the UN .. although I don't recall if Powell mentioned where we got the satellite images or who owned the trucks .. and it was only later acknowledged that it was strongly suspected the trucks were Russian.

Right after Condi Rice (who speaks fluent Russian) was appointed SecState - she made a quick trip to Russia. Within a few days of that visit - this story about the trucks being Russian began to filter out. I always wondered if Condi went to inform Putin personally that we knew the trucks belonged to him and the information was going to be made public. I'm guessing .. but it seemed like a strange coincidence.

I believe Israel's images only confirmed what we also knew - but I don't recall whether Powell said where he got the images - although the info was on the internet that the images were satellite video from Israel. And .. I remember watching the presentation and seeing the actual video of the trucks moving from Iraq to Syria.


35 posted on 02/21/2006 7:33:43 AM PST by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

RAT's do indeed have a lot in common with the RED's


36 posted on 02/21/2006 7:36:12 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: Thunder90
Makes perfect sense.Russia supplies the chemicals and/or knowhow (and does anyone doubt that they'd do this if the political and/or financial incentive was there?)to Sadaam.Russia begins to understand that Mr Bush aims to finish the job that was started in '91.So they help move the stuff to Syria,a longtime Baathist ally of Sadaam's.

I think it's time for Colin Powell to cue up those satellite photos again showing frantic activity at the Iraq/Syria border in the weeks leading up to Sadaam's downfall.

37 posted on 02/21/2006 7:36:41 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: afz400
The obvious question is if we know where they are why haven't we done anything to confiscate them? I thought that was the whole point of the invasion.

Sadly, this is a widespread belief, that the "whole point" of the invasion was to "confiscate" some objects (WMDs). I wish people would give it just a moment's thought before they say things like this, because they'd realize how silly that sounds.

You don't invade another country in order to "confiscate" some items, and that was not the "whole point" of the invasion at all.

The whole point of the invasion was to dethrone the government of Saddam Hussein. It was to smash up the power of Hussein and his Baathists so that they no longer ruled that territory. That was the whole point of the invasion, and we succeeded.

Now, were "WMDs" in the mix? Of course: "WMDs" were a reason we wanted to dethrone Saddam Hussein. He had demonstrated a willingness to use them and ambitions to create more. Therefore, that helped convince us of the necessity to dethrone him. (Which was the purpose of the war.)

What about all those "WMDs" arguments we made before the UN? Didn't that make it seem like our goal was to "confiscate" WMDs? Well, no. The reason we were making those arguments was that among other things his ongoing WMD ambition put him in technical violation of some UN resolutions; so "WMDs" were also a reason we argued before the UNSC that they should join us in our war (this argument failed, alas). They were, in a sense, "charges" we tried to bring him up on in front of the UNSC.

But "confiscating" them was NOT "the reason" we invaded. We invaded to depose Saddam Hussein, not to "confiscate" some things.

I doubt there has been any war fought anywhere in recent centuries which one nation launched against another nation solely for the purpose of "confiscating" some objects. It even sounds silly to me.

p.s. Another way to see that my way of looking at things is correct - with my way of looking at things, everyone's actions make sense. With your way of looking at things, everyone's actions make no sense, and you start drawing silly conclusions like we need to "lay waste to" Syria and Lebanon. That's a silly conclusion because it proceeds from a flawed premise (that the "whole point" was to "confiscate" some WMDs). The whole point was to unseat Saddam Hussein's government.

38 posted on 02/21/2006 7:37:28 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Bookmaestro

israeli disinfo? really?


39 posted on 02/21/2006 7:37:46 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Thunder90

How could they have been moved if they didn't exist and if Clinton had destroyed them?

Oh, please Dear Democrats. I have to hear this........


40 posted on 02/21/2006 7:38:04 AM PST by jw777
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