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Federalist Patriot bashes Abe Linclon
2/17/06 | Mobile Vulgus

Posted on 02/17/2006 5:47:19 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus

I don't know how many of you get the Federalist Patriot report via email, but it is a great source of conservative news and opinion that all of you should get.

You can find their site at:

http://patriotpost.us/

Anyway, even though I support them, they sent out an email today that bashed Abe Lincoln fiercely. I was so moved to annoyance by their biased and ill thought out email that I had to write them and say how disappointed I was.

You can go to their site and see the anti-Lincoln screed that they put out to know exactly what I am replying to if you desire to do so.

Now, I know some of you freepers are primo confederate apologists so I thought this would stir debate on freerepublic!!

Now, let the fur fly as we KNOW it must...


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KEYWORDS: abelincoln; civilwar; federalistpatriot; lincoln
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To: MamaTexan
"It was generally agreed that the objects of the Union could not be secured by any system founded on the principle of a confederation of Sovereign States." -- James Madison
281 posted on 02/23/2006 1:09:01 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Ditto
My bad. Should have finished this better:

(The Judicial power of the Constitution was intended as a court for the federal enclave and a mediator between the states. It never was intended to make *law* for the People, only for the States within enumerated areas)

282 posted on 02/23/2006 1:14:29 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: MamaTexan

http://www.jmu.edu/madison/gpos225-madison2/madexpcontojeff.htm


283 posted on 02/23/2006 1:21:05 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: stand watie
"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

??????????????????

284 posted on 02/23/2006 1:21:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: stainlessbanner
"I don't read Luis' posts."


285 posted on 02/23/2006 1:23:34 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'm not blind.

I asked you to source your post.

If you cannot do so, please don't bother to respond.

286 posted on 02/23/2006 1:28:22 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
My apologies.

I did not see this post.

287 posted on 02/23/2006 1:29:45 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: MamaTexan
"I asked you to source your post."

Try Google next time.

288 posted on 02/23/2006 2:19:44 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
"That's the point, nowhere is the Union mentioned in the Constitution."

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Have you ever actually READ The Constitution?

289 posted on 02/23/2006 2:23:24 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Dawgreg
yes, it is.

i've been there to pray more than a few times.

several civilians of my family fought (one died) there.

free dixie,saw

290 posted on 02/23/2006 2:26:39 PM PST by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: WayneS
"I asked HIM to point out a prohibition aginst secession in the Constitution"

Section 10. [1] No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation.

291 posted on 02/23/2006 2:26:52 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: stand watie
sw, "civilians" should read "members". i wonder what you were thinking.(chuckle)

free dixie,sw

292 posted on 02/23/2006 2:29:57 PM PST by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: MamaTexan
"Did Georgia didn't FORCE the federal government to make the purchase?"

Let's see...Andrew Jackson invades Florida, creates an issue with Spain, and shoots British subjects, all in the name of the security of the State of Georgia.

I guess he could have held a bigger gun to the head of the collective States than the possibility of war with both England and Spain.

293 posted on 02/23/2006 2:31:19 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Ditto

The statement of stated intent pertaining to the attached document, and included in said document, should not be construed to have any relevance to the attached document.

It's Southern logic.


294 posted on 02/23/2006 2:36:44 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: tkathy
The pro-slaver & Confederate insurrectionist, William Porcher Miles, the one who designed the Confederate battle flag welcomed the Civil War for one reason: to preserve Southerners' right to own slaves.

According to Slavery Inc's William Miles, "Many of the highest, manliest and most admirable qualities in the Southern character have been preserved in their pristine strength, if not engendered by our peculiar social and domestic system,".

Miles was among the most vehement supporters of slavery, arguing that it was a cornerstone of Southern culture. A few years before the war, he wrote in a Charleston, S.C., newspaper that black people were "debased, sensual, groveling creatures, hardly worthy of the name of men." Slavery, Miles wrote, was an institution created by God.

One of the most fanatical pro-slavers was the mentally unstable Confederate "fire eater" Edmund Ruffin.

With rapid collapse of Confederate forces in 1865, Ruffin proclaimed "unmitigated hatred to Yankee rule," and on June 17th, 1865, committed suicide.

We need to recall today's neo-confederate Big Lie, "slavery had nothing to do" with the Civil War....and there is a rather large bridge for sale in Brooklyn :)

295 posted on 02/23/2006 2:43:34 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Let's see...Andrew Jackson invades Florida, creates an issue with Spain, and shoots British subjects, all in the name of the security of the State of Georgia. I guess he could have held a bigger gun to the head of the collective States than the possibility of war with both England and Spain.

While colorful, it's not a response to my question.

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Do you truly wish to discuss this, or do you only wish to act the pompous ass and inflict your brand of 'intellectualism' on the forum?

If it's the former - wonderful!

If it's the latter - take a hike, junior......I have better things to do.

296 posted on 02/23/2006 2:51:55 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: MamaTexan
"While colorful, it's not a response to my question."

Yeah...just like the Preamble is not part of the Constitution, and perpetual doesn't mean for ever, and posterity does not mean all the offspring of a given progenitor.

297 posted on 02/23/2006 3:32:21 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Yeah...just like the Preamble is not part of the Constitution, and perpetual doesn't mean for ever, and posterity does not mean all the offspring of a given progenitor.

The preamble is not. It is a statement by the People who function under common/civil law giving their approbation (meaning 'to ordain and establish') to the creation of a federal state of limited national powers.

It is in introduction to, but not a part OF the legal contract of the Constitution.

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and perpetual doesn't mean for ever,

No. I said 'to form a more perfect union' isn't the same as 'this will exist in perpetuity'. It was their WISH it would do so.

The Constitution is a contractual COMPACT, not a suicide pact.

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and posterity does not mean all the offspring of a given progenitor.

And now, you've finally answered one of my questions.

Good day to you, sir.

298 posted on 02/23/2006 3:45:22 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: MamaTexan
"It is a statement by the People who function under common/civil law giving their approbation (meaning 'to ordain and establish') to the creation of a federal state of limited national powers...with the obvious and stated purpose of setting it in place for all of their offspring, A.K.A. forever."

There...I completed a thought for you.

Someone had to!

299 posted on 02/23/2006 3:53:40 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: MamaTexan
"The preamble is not (part of the Constitution)."

Founders: "The statement of stated intent pertaining to the attached document, and included in said document, should not be construed to have any relevance to the attached document."

It's Southern logic.

300 posted on 02/23/2006 3:55:53 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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