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Winston Churchills' view of Islam
Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green | 1899 | Winston Churchill

Posted on 02/08/2006 9:21:18 AM PST by johnsmith2447

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: churchill; churchillislam; islam; muslim; rop
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To: newgeezer
GWB called it a "religion of peace" and—in his latest SOTU address—a "noble faith."

There are times when respectable politicians must say things that they don't mean.There's no doubt that Mr Bush's comments fall into that category."Progressives",OTOH,*truly* believe that these 9th Century knuckledraggers are worthy of admiration and respect.

And it goes without saying that "progressives" (aka: burned out 60's hippies) are in complete control of today's democRAT Party.

41 posted on 02/08/2006 9:58:53 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative
"There are times when respectable politicians must say things that they don't mean."
Then there must be a time when respectable politicians must say things that they do mean. Your statement implies that there will be a time when Bush will say Islam is a religion of hate. When do suppose that will be?
42 posted on 02/08/2006 10:11:29 AM PST by afz400
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To: Gay State Conservative

Churchill, I would say, was the single greatest man of the 20th Century, as Lincoln was the greatest man of the 19th.

There's a story I'm fond of - I'm pretty sure that it's in the Roy Jenkins biography of Churchill (though it could be Manchester's one) of how, when Churchill was an old man and Prime Minister for a second time, one of his young Grandsons skipped up to him and asked him, "Grandpapa, is it true that you are the greatest man in the world?"

Churchill responded, "Yes. Now bugger off."


43 posted on 02/08/2006 10:12:10 AM PST by furquhart (God is not dead)
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To: edpc

A.D. = After Denial?


44 posted on 02/08/2006 10:12:32 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: johnsmith2447

There is such a rampant hatred of truth that leadership ignores it as long as possible and tries to figure a way to get around it.


45 posted on 02/08/2006 10:13:41 AM PST by Spirited
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To: johnsmith2447
Another Perspective on Islam from a Confederate Soldier A Confederate Soldier in Egypt (Long Read)
46 posted on 02/08/2006 10:15:27 AM PST by stainlessbanner (^W^)
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To: sarasota
"I think our leaders see it, and very clearly. They are just struggling to figure out how to deal with it in a "politically correct" way. More's the pity."

Absolutely sarasota!

I firmly believe that if politicians did not to worry about the MSM and rats, ships would be sailing to the Middle East full of the mudslime traitors hiding in the USA behind the false premise of being a religion.

47 posted on 02/08/2006 10:20:07 AM PST by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: johnsmith2447

My peacenik minister soldier father-in-law, who was a non-gun-carrying chaplain with the Australian army in the most vicious theatres of New Guinea in WW2, came home and said that the next fascist threat would come from Islam. That was in 1945.


48 posted on 02/08/2006 10:23:06 AM PST by Inkie (Attn Dems: Loose Lips Sink Ships -- but hey, I guess that's your goal))
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To: Gay State Conservative
There are times when respectable politicians must say things that they don't mean. lie.

There...it's all fixed now. ;O)

49 posted on 02/08/2006 10:24:08 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Mount Athos
Winston Churchill was the greatest national leader of the 20th Century.

Oh, I dunno; old Adolf got an entire nation to commit suicide, which is great leadership after a fashion. Still, I'd rather have had Churchill as a dinner guest... provided he brought his own bottle.

50 posted on 02/08/2006 10:27:40 AM PST by Grut
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To: Gay State Conservative
GWB called it a "religion of peace" and—in his latest SOTU address—a "noble faith."

He could have said,"I will speak no ill of a religion which is said to glorify suicide, murders its and others children, mutilates and enslaves its own women, preaches the destruction of all that is not like itself, and seeks to cause fear in every free human. It speaks volumes on its own!" (my words)

51 posted on 02/08/2006 10:28:28 AM PST by FixitGuy
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To: johnsmith2447
"and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled"

B.S. on this (tell it to Issac Newton, Kepler, Pasteur, Hoyle, and the host of Christians who advanced Science because they saw it as a way understanding God's laws of universe and nature) ... but spot on with the rest of the quote...

52 posted on 02/08/2006 10:32:50 AM PST by El Cid
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To: johnsmith2447
there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

Someone who spent a lot of time in the Mideast recently told me that one of the most important words to learn in Arabic is "inshallah" (as Allah wills it), which means about the same as the Spanish word "manyana" but without manyana's sense of urgency.

53 posted on 02/08/2006 10:40:29 AM PST by KarlInOhio (During wartime, some whistles should not be blown. - Orson Scott Card)
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To: johnsmith2447

"It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing."

General George S. Patton


54 posted on 02/08/2006 10:47:51 AM PST by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: johnsmith2447
My current view of Islam


55 posted on 02/08/2006 10:52:20 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: johnsmith2447

bump


56 posted on 02/08/2006 11:00:22 AM PST by VOA
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To: johnsmith2447
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

These powerful words should make liberals take notice if the dims weren't so ignorant.

57 posted on 02/08/2006 11:41:10 AM PST by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: Inkie
came home and said that the next fascist threat would come from Islam. That was in 1945.

He was so right, and it will be generations and generations I'm afraid who will have to fight it.

58 posted on 02/08/2006 11:43:14 AM PST by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: SunnyUsa

The Islamists are just as fanatical as the Japanese we faced during WWII. Imagine if Japan had fanatical followers spread throughout the world, as Islam is, as opposed to merely being confined to one small country.


59 posted on 02/08/2006 11:47:04 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: johnsmith2447; ncountylee

The great thing about this quote, which i first saw shortly after 9/11 is that Islam has been the same, and the problems cited then were well before Israel, oil, American bases, or any of the other litany of excuses.


60 posted on 02/08/2006 11:58:27 AM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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