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South Africa: Ban on cartoons 'worrying' (S.A. not quite as free as many had thought)
News 24 (South Africa) ^
| February 5, 2006
Posted on 02/05/2006 9:59:30 PM PST by Stoat
Ban on cartoons 'worrying'
05/02/2006 22:40 - (SA)
Johannesburg - The ban on the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in South Africa was worrying and conflicted with press freedom, the Media Institute of Southern Africa said on Sunday. Misa's Raymond Louw said the Johannesburg High Court's ruling on Friday stated that the right to dignity outweighed the right to freedom of expression. Judge Mohammed Jajbhay concluded that the cartoons were offensive and an affront to the dignity of the Muslim people. "Misa regards the ban as an unacceptable intrusion on media freedom and freedom of expression by the courts and believes it is unconstitutional," Louw said. Meanwhile, the Democratic Alliance said it was dismayed by the decision. "Media freedom is explicitly constitutionalised in South Africa as part of the right to free speech and expression. "This means that the media decides without prior restraint by other organs of state what it will publish, and how," said spokesperson Dene Smuts. The Jamiat-ul Ulama Transvaal sought the interdict late on Friday. Protests Publication in Europe of the set of Danish cartoons has given rise to protests, flag-burning and commercial boycotts across the Middle East. The DA welcomed the resolve shown by the SA National Editors' Forum and the newspaper groups affected by the ruling to resist prior restraint when the matter returns to court at the end of the month. "The interdict must be lifted - thereafter matters of substance such as the relative importance of the rights to free speech and dignity can be considered," said Smuts. The Union of Muslim Students Associations said the publication of the cartoons would be offensive. "Freedom of speech is an inalienable right of all South Africans, enshrined in our Bill of Rights after centuries of struggle to free our land of the oppression of one by another", the students said. "Another freedom enshrined in our constitution, after this same struggle, is that of religion, belief and opinion. Limitations" Further, the Bill of Rights enshrines that everyone has inherent dignity and the right to have their dignity respected and protected. "Tainting and mocking the character of the Prophet Muhammad and any other prophet of Islam or revered Islamic figure, such as Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and/or Mary, is tantamount to degrading the dignity of those who follow Islam. "All freedoms have limitations... We call for a national dialogue through institutions such as the parliament of the Republic of South Africa, and the media, to promote an understanding of this issue, especially focusing on the reasons why it provokes such a passionate response from the Muslim community." |
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: africa; cartoon; cartoonjihad; cartoonjihadists; cartoons; intolerance; islam; islamofascism; islamofascists; mohammed; mohammedcartoons; muhammed; muhammedcartoons; muslim; muslims; southafrica; terror; terrorism; terrorists
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posted on
02/05/2006 9:59:34 PM PST
by
Stoat
To: Stoat
As an expat, I can tell you RSA is following the Zim model. It will tank in an ugly way when it gets its well deserved Chavez equivalent. Wont take very long either. It is moving that way day by day.
To: Stoat
Since aparthied ended, SA has been taken over by socialists, leftists, tribalists and outright communists. Many of these folks are also Muslim.
In a few years, SA will look like Zimbabwe.
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:08:11 PM PST
by
308MBR
(The only time four doors look cool are when they are on two cars.)
To: Stoat
If simple cartoons drive the Islamo psychos completely over the edge, then obviously the next step a full animated cartoon series.
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:08:37 PM PST
by
Screamname
(Tagline)
To: Stoat
What about my dignity? Islam is an affront to my religion and to me.
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:09:38 PM PST
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: Screamname
We should contact Trey Parker and Matt Stone. They could be the best weapon in our arsenal.
To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
SA is an important nation that has an ability to help all of Africa. Too bad it may fall to the Dark Side. If so, I wonder if the US will pick up the pieces?
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:12:08 PM PST
by
endthematrix
(None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
To: Stoat
...but they're not going to stop the rioters, even though the Danes have a right to dignity too...
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:13:04 PM PST
by
Tzimisce
(How Would Mohammed Vote? Hilary for President!)
To: Stoat
Exclusive photos of the Mohammed* celebrating this censorship of his likeness.* Photos of Mohammed provided by Director George Lucas. All jihadist complaints should be directed to him.
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:33:20 PM PST
by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: Screamname
Judge Mohammad..do you even need to read any further to guess his decision?
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:34:49 PM PST
by
Skywalk
(Transdimensional Jihad!)
To: SmoothTalker
We should contact Trey Parker and Matt Stone. They could be the best weapon in our arsenal. I could easily see an episode where Cartman becomes a jihadist.
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:35:03 PM PST
by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
As an expat, I can tell you RSA is following the Zim model. It will tank in an ugly way when it gets its well deserved Chavez equivalent. Wont take very long either. It is moving that way day by day. what i find scary is that most SAer's either don't see it coming or won't admit it. they still claim to live in paradise. (i have SA internet friends...)
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posted on
02/05/2006 10:39:54 PM PST
by
ferri
(Be Politically Incorrect: Support the Constitution!)
To: Stoat
let me take a wild guess here. sa has a large population of immigrant muslims? sa govt is afraid of riots?
To: son of caesar; ferri; LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
let me take a wild guess here. sa has a large population of immigrant muslims? sa govt is afraid of riots?Well, according to a 2001 census published in the CIA World Factbook,
CIA - The World Factbook -- South Africa
South Africa's Muslim population numbers only 1.5%. Perhaps their rationale for caving on this issue is due to a general lack of backbone under the slightest threat of a problem, a Government desire to build bridges between itself and the Islamofasicsts, or perhaps the Muslim population has dramatically increased since 2001, I'm sorry I simply don't know.
There are some who have very kindly contributed to this thread who have indicated that they have one sort of link or another to South Africa, and they may have better 'insider' knowledge than I do. I will send this reply to them also and hopefully one or more of them ( or other readers to this thread) may be able to provide you with a better answer.
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posted on
02/06/2006 12:35:01 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
or perhaps they are completely defeated by us when we forced them to abolish apartheid. aparthied had to go, but once again, we created a vacuum filled by guess what?
To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
Judge
Mohammed Jajbhay concluded that the cartoons were offensive and an affront to the dignity of the Muslim people.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.
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posted on
02/06/2006 12:48:55 AM PST
by
freepatriot32
(Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
To: son of caesar
or perhaps they are completely defeated by us when we forced them to abolish apartheid. aparthied had to go, but once again, we created a vacuum filled by guess what?I don't think that you'll be able to find many who can convincingly argue that South Africa has improved since the end of apartheid. Black rule has sent it spiralling down into a turgid cauldron of breathtakingly violent and vicious crime and my guess is that a nation that is unable to maintain even a semblance of order within it's own borders is not going to have the backbone to stand up for comparatively esoteric principles and intellectual concepts such as freedom of the press.
Hopefully other readers who are closer to South Africa's internal politics might be able to provide more specificity.
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posted on
02/06/2006 12:49:14 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat; All
Everything I have found about
The War of the 12 Cartoons ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:
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posted on
02/06/2006 1:58:10 AM PST
by
backhoe
(Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
To: backhoe; All
As usual, our good friend Backhoe has the definitive thread on the topic! Good show, and an essential bookmark for all FReepers :-)
I found this BackhoeLink particularly interesting:
Mohammed Image Archive
This whole business of being so terribly offended over depictions of Mohammed is merely the most current popular excuse to riot and burn symbols of the West, as there have been NUMEROUS depictions of Mohammed published throughout the ages......it's nothing new at all!
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posted on
02/06/2006 2:47:56 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
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posted on
02/06/2006 2:53:49 AM PST
by
backhoe
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