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To: John Jorsett

Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.


3 posted on 01/29/2006 11:16:02 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

Yeah, but the 9mm would still have a problem going through multiple layers of clothing, unless maybe it were a 357Sig cartidge.


9 posted on 01/29/2006 11:19:12 AM PST by xander
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To: John Lenin
Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.

As I understand it, the Geneva Convention prohibits the use of hollow points.

16 posted on 01/29/2006 11:22:12 AM PST by Bob
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To: John Lenin
Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.

The use of hollowpoints is banned in international warfare by the Hague Convention of 1899.

17 posted on 01/29/2006 11:22:25 AM PST by holymoly (Ahhhhh. Beer so cold it hurts my teeth.)
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To: John Lenin

Hollow points are outlawed by the Geneva Convention. We won't
do that.


23 posted on 01/29/2006 11:26:53 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: John Lenin
9 mm is garbage, just ask those FBI agents who were shot through car doors i Miami while their 9mm were bouncing of the perps car doors.

Stop physically dumbing down the military and police by forcing them to maintain troops of lesser statue (you can read this as little girls if you'd like), and then train the rest to use this quite low recoil (ever shoot a .454 Casull or a .44 magnum for that matter. .45 ACP is a cakewalk in comparison)
38 posted on 01/29/2006 11:36:27 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: John Lenin
Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.

Please continue to dazzle us with your exquisite brilliance and unmatched expertise.

48 posted on 01/29/2006 11:42:44 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: John Lenin
Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.

Illegal.

79 posted on 01/29/2006 12:00:12 PM PST by PAR35
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To: John Lenin
Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.

HP's are illegal in combat, similar to CS gas in that respect. Therefore it is only useful against illegal combatants and US citizens.

126 posted on 01/29/2006 12:32:19 PM PST by D Rider
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To: John Lenin
Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.
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War crime under the Hague Convention.
138 posted on 01/29/2006 12:38:47 PM PST by Cheburashka
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To: John Lenin
Just change the bullet to a hollow point and the 9mm would do the trick.

yeah, but they won't DO that. However if it were to happen, just how much more effective would a 45 JHP be? Everything is shot placement anyway. Could issue 22LRs and if we could be sure the troops could make the cranio-ocular shot everytime, it'd be fine. That being said, this is as much about troop perception as anything else. As long as the troops have the idea that a 45 will knock a man off his feet or blow his arm off they're gonna want that security blanket. Even if it comes in a FMJ. Because compared side by side, the 45 ball beats the 9mm ball everytime. Face it, in the realm of infantry combat if the bad guys get close enough to use a handgun, something has gone very badly wrong indeed. The possible exception being of course the tight quarters of clearing rooms or caves. Here, a 45 1911 ot better a 45 H&K with ah attached SureFire Gunlight would be superb.

141 posted on 01/29/2006 12:40:16 PM PST by ExSoldier
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To: John Lenin

The 9mm x 21mm developed by IMI might do the trick. But still, for sheer killing power I would go for the 45 ACP.


157 posted on 01/29/2006 12:50:45 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Ahmadinejad)
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To: John Lenin

The cops tried that, it didn't work, which is why the cops have gone to the 40 S&W and the 45 ACP.


201 posted on 01/29/2006 2:03:53 PM PST by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: John Lenin

I own a couple of 1911's and one Beretta 92F. I love the 92F for punching holes in paper and shooting beer cans, it's a fun gun and inexpensive shooter for sure. However, I carry one of my 1911's for personal protection as they will knock down a man on the first shot regardless of where he is hit. Being that the 9mm selection was an accomodation to NATO's standardization strategy, I say give all of them to our French and German "friends" - they will never use them in combat anyway.


302 posted on 01/29/2006 5:13:21 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: John Lenin
Why the heck are holow points illegal???? The point is to kill the enemy. I am sure the bad guys would use them against us, if they could get through our armored vests.
325 posted on 01/29/2006 5:48:31 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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