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Heart group(American Heart Association) finds few health benefits from soy
CBC News ^ | Mon, 23 Jan 2006 | Staff

Posted on 01/23/2006 1:12:59 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou

Eating veggie burgers and tofu to lower "bad" cholesterol may not help, a new review of soy's health benefits suggests.

The American Heart Association reviewed 22 randomized trials comparing soy protein and the soy component isoflavone to milk or other proteins.

The majority of the trials concluded soy led to an average decrease in LDL or "bad" cholesterol levels of just three per cent.

"This reduction is very small relative to the large amount of soy protein tested in these studies, averaging 50 grams, about half the usual total daily protein intake," the committee wrote in the Jan. 17 online issue of the journal Circulation.

Soy had no effect on HDL, or "good" cholesterol, or on blood pressure.

Soy and isoflavone also didn't seem to reduce symptoms of menopause, such as hot flashes.

Its ability to slow postmenopausal bone loss showed mixed results.

As for cancer, clinical trials on whether soy can help to prevent or treat breast, endometrium and prostate cancer haven't shown that the food works or is safe, and warn of possible side-effects.

"For this reason, use of isoflavone supplements in food or pills is not recommended," the panel concluded.

The findings could lead the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to reconsider whether food companies in the U.S. can continue to tout the cholesterol-lowering benefits of soy-based foods on product labels.

Soy-based foods could still help because of their high content of polyunsaturated fats, fibre, vitamins, minerals and low saturated fat content, the study's authors noted.

Dieticians have agreed that soy may be beneficial when eaten instead of less nutritious foods such as hamburgers or hot dogs.

AHA Abstract


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cancer; cholesterol; diabetes; diet; fda; health; polyunsaturatedfat; soy; tofu; wapf
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To: ravingnutter

I'm also hypoglycemic and cutting way down on the fruit and starch cleared me right up. My husband's blood lipid changed like magic.

I'm sorry you didn't have the same experience. Sometimes you really can't fight genetics.


21 posted on 01/23/2006 2:28:31 PM PST by Gingersnap
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To: HamiltonJay

"Well, trying to lower cholestorol and finding true info on it is less than easily there"

Red Rice Yeast.

30 points off my total Cholesterol, made the HDL better, too.


22 posted on 01/23/2006 2:39:27 PM PST by webstersII
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To: Spirited

As I recall,at one time the only approved use for Soy was as a glue for cardboard boxes. The industry got hold of it and started making claims. I think that it is an extremely hard to digest protein and avoid it (goes for chick peas too!). Has hormone like substances that turns men into steers.

If someone wants to lower cholesterol eat avocados. Raises the good fats, lowers the bad. I had something like a 20% reduction in the bad after 1 month of an avocado a day. (I don't grow them, sell them, or trade them!) They also make a great baby food.



23 posted on 01/23/2006 2:56:09 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: MaryFromMichigan
I've grown skeptical of any nutritional study.

With good reason. The studies keep contradicting one another. Seems like you can't believe anyone anymore. Everyone has an ulterior motive, usually financial.

24 posted on 01/23/2006 3:06:51 PM PST by jrp
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Box glue huh? That doesn't surprise me. Many of the seed oils that are touted as healthy were used in paint, before a chemist discovered a petroleum derivative that was better and cheaper.


25 posted on 01/23/2006 3:24:51 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Lil'freeper

wapf ping... also, maybe invite the initiator of this thread to join the list...


26 posted on 01/23/2006 5:40:48 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: Rytwyng; Poincare; Colorado Buckeye; Sarah; since1868; nmh; Freebird Forever; Coleus; ...
Seems like you should take the reins here lately, Rytwyng. :)

A Nutrition Ping List
For Those Interested in the Research
of Dr. Weston A. Price

Another whoodathunkit!

27 posted on 01/23/2006 6:26:25 PM PST by Lil'freeper ("You're useless. I'm bored. And that's it." - Simon Cowell)
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To: HamiltonJay

My doc suggests having a drink every night -- any kind, not just red wine. He thinks it makes cholesterol less apt to stick to the arteries -- his personal opinion, not researched.

Some people eat a lot of fatty fish or take fish oil supplements (capsules).

Some people eat foods high in anti-oxidants (I think that's it) -- blueberries are the only one I remember.

Some people eat oatmeal every day.

Once you've done the low cholesterol/low-fat diet, exercise, no smoking thing, there doesn't seem to be much else to do beyond taking cholesterol-lowering drugs.

I've had double bypass surgery, with a cholesterol level of 230 at the time & NO other risk factors. I don't wish that on anyone. IMHO, if lifestyle changes don't do the trick, it's time to try medication. My opinion is based on my experience, though, which certainly is not the norm. IOW, it's probably worth very little unless you have high cholesterol which doesn't respond to lifestyle changes.


28 posted on 01/23/2006 8:45:22 PM PST by cookiedough
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To: Pessimist

BTTT


29 posted on 01/23/2006 8:49:03 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: HamiltonJay
I exercise 5-6 days a week, have cut way way down on fats... but what else should I be doing?

Eat fats, cut carbs instead.

30 posted on 01/23/2006 10:08:49 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: ravingnutter
I also exercise, so what's a person to do?

Start by reading this thread.
31 posted on 01/24/2006 6:01:40 AM PST by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: Colorado Buckeye

I am hypoglycemic, which means my blood sugar levels are too low now. Lowering it even more would only complicate matters. But thanks for trying : )


32 posted on 01/24/2006 6:55:50 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Canola oil would be a good example. I think corn oil is marginal. Flax seed is supposed to be good, although it also has some female hormones in it. Stick to a quality fish oil I suppose, or avocado oil.


33 posted on 01/24/2006 8:07:26 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
Vegetable oils are hazardous to your health.

Mainly, soybean oil, corn oil, safflower oil, canola, sesame oil, sunflower seed oil, palm oil, and any others that are labeled as "unsaturated" or "polyunsaturated." Almond oil, which is used in many cosmetics, is very unsaturated. Chemically, the material that makes these oils very toxic is the polyunsaturated fat itself. These unsaturated oils are found in very high concentrations in many seeds, and in the fats of animals that have eaten a diet containing them. The fresh oils, whether cold pressed or consumed as part of the living plant material, are intrinsically toxic, and it is not any special industrial treatment that makes them toxic.

Since these oils occur in other parts of plants at lower concentration, and in the animals which eat the plants, it is impossible to eat a diet which lacks them, unless special foods are prepared in the laboratory. These toxic oils are sometimes called the "essential fatty acids" or "vitamin F," but this concept of the oils as essential nutrients was clearly disproved over 50 years ago. Linoleic and linolenic acids, the "essential fatty acids," and other polyunsaturated fatty acids, which are now fed to pigs to fatten them, in the form of corn and soy beans, cause the animals' fat to be chemically equivalent to vegetable oil.

In the late 1940s, chemical toxins were used to suppress the thyroid function of pigs, to make them get fatter while consuming less food. When that was found to be carcinogenic, it was then found that corn and soy beans had the same antithyroid effect, causing the animals to be fattened at low cost. The animals' fat becomes chemically similar to the fats in their food, causing it to be equally toxic, and equally fattening. These oils are derived from seeds, but their abundance in some meat has led to a lot of confusion about "animal fats." Many researchers still refer to lard as a "saturated fat," but this is simply incorrect when pigs are fed soybeans and corn.Link

Add to that, pesticides, processing, hydrogenation, dyes, perfumes, etc. - and you have a toxic soup indeed.

34 posted on 01/24/2006 8:52:52 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Gingersnap
Make it a habit to only eat a lot of starch at dinner

i'm very interested in what you've posted... do you mean only eat a lot of starch at dinner and not during other meals? or only eat a lot of start at dinner, and don't include any other kinds of food for dinner?

35 posted on 01/24/2006 9:02:05 PM PST by latina4dubya
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To: b4its2late

>>>"I love defenseless animals, especially in a good gravy."

Vegetarians, remember: plants have feelings too.

Hoppy


36 posted on 01/24/2006 9:04:29 PM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: HamiltonJay
Supplements

Treating High Cholesterol by Replacing Hormones Lost to Aging

Cholesterol Reduction

Homocysteine


Also, see if you can find a copy of "Life Extension: A Practical Scientific Approach". This was published in the '80s, and is a reason why some of us seniors will be collecting Social Security for many,many,many years.

The HT treatment for cholesterol has the added advantage that it helps reduce the risk of osteoporosis. This is important for men as well as women. There is an increasing incidence of men in their 40s and 50s having stress fractures sue to weakened bone.

Using curcumin has the added benefit that it seems to reduce the risk of Alzheimer's : people in rural India consume a lot of it (as curry) and have the lowest incidence in the world. Plus, if your take enough you can get an IT job.

If you are planning to take statin drugs, be aware that they will shut down the body's production of COQ10, which is needed by muscles (especially your heart). I read that some time ago, a major drug company patented a combination of a statin drug and COQ10 supplementation (because of the recognized risk of statin drugs alone killing the heart).
37 posted on 01/24/2006 10:27:39 PM PST by Ragnar54
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To: Lil'freeper

You might be better qualified than I to respond to post 34.


38 posted on 01/25/2006 2:34:15 AM PST by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
These toxic oils are sometimes called the "essential fatty acids" or "vitamin F," but this concept of the oils as essential nutrients was clearly disproved over 50 years ago.

Um, by whom, exactly? I'd like to read that research.

39 posted on 01/25/2006 2:46:56 AM PST by Lil'freeper ("You're useless. I'm bored. And that's it." - Simon Cowell)
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To: Lil'freeper
Further up the linked page.

Essential fatty acids (EFA) are, according to the textbooks, linoleic acid and linolenic acid, and they are supposed to have the status of "vitamins," which must be taken in the diet to make life possible. However, we are able to synthesize our own unsaturated fats when we don't eat the "EFA," so they are not "essential."

The term thus appears to be a misnomer. [M. E. Hanke, "Biochemistry," Encycl. Brit. Book of the Year, 1948.]

Link

40 posted on 01/25/2006 5:18:48 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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