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American Jews: Why Are You Still Liberal?
CommonConservative ^ | anuary 16, 2006 | Tom Adkins

Posted on 01/21/2006 4:33:39 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy

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To: Nasty McPhilthy

The jews are more worried about abortion and homosexual "rights" than in Israel's survival.


41 posted on 01/21/2006 5:58:02 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
There is no legitimate comparison between what George Bush has accomplished in the Middle East and any previous American President.

Bears repeating.

42 posted on 01/21/2006 6:03:02 PM PST by Wolfstar ("We must...all hang together or...we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
The answer is simple...

All Jews that are STILL Democrats/Progressives/Marxists/Communists/Socialists/Leftists or run of the mill a$$holes --- are obviously members of the lost tribe of Israel....
The STUPID Tribe....that's how they got lost..

I've been negotiating with Israel, to repatriate some of these Stupid Jews - and in exchange allow us to have some of their REAL Jews..

Israel has shown no interest...

Semper Fi
43 posted on 01/21/2006 6:15:11 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: DJ Taylor; ml/nj
Here's a tiny bit of the history of early Christianity. Such hatred was more recently (17th-20th centuries) addressed and remedied by some Christian leaders. Now some of the big churches side with the terrorists and call for their corporate members to pull all investments out of businesses in Israel.

Disciples of Chr-st to Israel: Drop dead
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/1458942/posts

U.S. Presbyterians target five firms with Israel links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458765/posts

The Church Stares Into the Abyss (The dhimmitude of the Church of England)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435084/posts

(Anti-Semitic) Anglican group urges Israel sanctions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430566/posts

Anglicans Call for Sanction on Investment in Israel to Uphold Justice
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430772/posts

THE VATICAN AND THE STANDOFF AT THE CHURCH OF THE NATIVITY
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp515.htm

Two United Methodist gatherings urge selective divestment from Israel (official anti-Israel United Methodist Website)
http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.886089/k.A105/Two_United_Methodist_gatherings_urge_selective_divestment_from_Israel.htm

world council of churches (WCC)
church & ecumenical relations
http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/ecumenical/index-e.html
"Among those churches which are not members of the WCC, the most notable is the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Since 1965 a Joint Working Group (JWG), co-sponsored by the WCC and the RCC, has met regularly to discuss issues of common interest and promote cooperation. The group meets annually. One of the church and ecumenical relations staff members serves as co-secretary for the JWG and helps to coordinate contact between the Council and the dicasteries of the Vatican through the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. [And] . . . Though the Roman Catholic Church is not a member of the WCC, it is a full member of the Faith & Order Commission. The RCC also serves the team on Mission & Evangelism in a consultative capacity."
44 posted on 01/21/2006 6:18:46 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Polybius

I'm an Ashkenazi Jew and I can still remember my grandparents telling me, point blank, that the Christians are the ones who wanted to kill us and that I should never, ever trust them. (This probably explains my statement to my son that the reason I have guns is that when they kick in the door to take me away, I'll at least have the satisfaction of taking out three or four of the bastards myself.) However, your remarks about the older generation's feelings from Mother Russia really hit home with me - as well as my own observation that living next door to the Baptists, Catholics, and other Christians here in my own town has been overwhelmingly positive. (My grandparents have had to have the gut-wrenching experience watching two of their family marry Catholics, too - including me.)

I liked your presentation a lot. It sure explains things well.


45 posted on 01/21/2006 6:18:54 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: Polybius

Thank you. Great post. Very illuminating. I think it's easy to forget how far back the roots of some phenomena go, and just look at the seemingly irrational gap between present realities and people's behavior. You give reason for hope for the future.


46 posted on 01/21/2006 6:21:31 PM PST by Athwart
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To: Polybius
You won't find the same infatuation with Communism among Sephardic Jews.

Ironically, Orthodox 'Ashkenazim are more similar to American Fundamentalist Protestants than are Sefaradim. The former are more puritanical in religious outlook while the latter have the laid-back attitude of Louisiana Cajuns and some even are open to higher criticism.

47 posted on 01/21/2006 6:22:29 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Shallach 'et `ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: redpoll
Thank you. That explanation makes sense. Still, I wish they would get past that and come to their senses.
48 posted on 01/21/2006 6:26:43 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Actually, George W. Bush made some inroads among Jewish voters in 2004.


49 posted on 01/21/2006 6:26:59 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: familyop

>Why are so many supposedly "conservative" columnists harping so much about less than 2% of our population?

I wonder myself why too. I mean, they're numerically irrelevant leftists. Were I in charge of RNC, I'd go after bigger ethnic groups to expand our tend.


50 posted on 01/21/2006 6:32:55 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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I find this article interesting in that my father and I were talking about this very thing today. He made the point that the Catholic Church in America is under attack and that there are those who want to see its destruction. I made the point that every other religion is standing by and letting it happen, including the Jews.

I then said, "I just don't understand it! If the Catholic Chruch in America falls, who is NEXT?! One would think that the Jews would have learned after 2000 years of persecution."

51 posted on 01/21/2006 6:38:51 PM PST by misharu (US Congress = children without adult supervision)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Jews generally had it better under Muslim rulers than under Christian rulers.

Of course, I wasn't around then so I can only judge by those Jews whom I know something about. The two most renowned Torah scholars of the Middle Ages were Maimonides (RAMBAM) and RASHI. Maimonides lived in Golden Age Spain where his family led a secret Jewish existence. When Maimonides was a young adult, his family fled first to Morocco, and not finding peace there the fled to Egypt, Palestine, and back to Egypt. In Egypt Maimonides was put on trial for his life having been accused of converting to Islam and then returning to Judaism. We are supposed to be grateful that the nice Muslims acquitted him. RASHI lived in France and made wine.

ML/NJ

52 posted on 01/21/2006 6:44:31 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: rmlew; Yehuda
Ping



53 posted on 01/21/2006 6:46:59 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Godebert

Yup, abortion of "non humans" is the trump card. I have always been bothered by this. I thought Jews, of all people, would be the most sensitive people on earth to the slaughter of innocents, but no. I don't think I've ever met a Jewish person who wasn't pro abortion.


54 posted on 01/21/2006 6:47:35 PM PST by boop (The Gimp's asleep!)
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To: TheBrotherhood

In the last two elections 2% wouold have swung the tide. My ex complains about the Jews who put such emphasis on Israel in his Democratic club work in Boca Raton.


55 posted on 01/21/2006 6:52:34 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: GladesGuru; Polybius
"IMHO, it is simply something absorbed while growing up. Oops - make that getting older but no wiser."

I've given a lot of thought to the general question of Jewish leftism over past years, since it's an area of personal concern. There are some pertinent comments on the thread, especially #35 IMO.

A large percentage of American Jews came here as leftists and have handed down the traditions of leftism from generation to generation, just as other Americans *used* to hand down our traditions of individual freedom and personal liberty. My opinion is that one of the reasons that American Jews have clung to leftist traditions so doggedly for several generations is simply because they were excluded so long from so much of American society. But now that society is open to Jews, I have hopes that the traditions of the left will be abandoned and those of freedom embraced. I tentatively believe that is now happening.

56 posted on 01/21/2006 6:56:44 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: boop

Jewish tradition records a prohibition of abortions for non-Jews that is more absolute than the prohibition of abortion for Jews.


57 posted on 01/21/2006 7:00:03 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: ClaireSolt

>In the last two elections 2% wouold have swung the tide.

True, but you can't get 100% of a group to vote for you. You can, however, get an additional 2% of Christian votes for example, which in essence amounts to more than 100% of the jewish vote. You gotta go and pander for the larger base and disregard the numerically irrelevant ones.


58 posted on 01/21/2006 7:19:02 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: hlmencken3; boop
"Jewish tradition records a prohibition of abortions for non-Jews that is more absolute than the prohibition of abortion for Jews."

That is true. Just today, I received an e-mail from an Orthodox Rabbi on that. He wrote, "Abortion is considered MURDER under Noachide Law." "Noachides," for any readers here who don't know, are all people who are not Jewish.
59 posted on 01/21/2006 7:19:02 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: TheBrotherhood

A woman of my acquaintance who works for a marketing research firm that does some political demographics makes your points in great detail.

Unfortunately, she considers the President too liberal and so was banned by the Bushbots here at FR.


60 posted on 01/21/2006 7:25:15 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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