Posted on 01/21/2006 4:33:39 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy
The jews are more worried about abortion and homosexual "rights" than in Israel's survival.
Bears repeating.
I'm an Ashkenazi Jew and I can still remember my grandparents telling me, point blank, that the Christians are the ones who wanted to kill us and that I should never, ever trust them. (This probably explains my statement to my son that the reason I have guns is that when they kick in the door to take me away, I'll at least have the satisfaction of taking out three or four of the bastards myself.) However, your remarks about the older generation's feelings from Mother Russia really hit home with me - as well as my own observation that living next door to the Baptists, Catholics, and other Christians here in my own town has been overwhelmingly positive. (My grandparents have had to have the gut-wrenching experience watching two of their family marry Catholics, too - including me.)
I liked your presentation a lot. It sure explains things well.
Thank you. Great post. Very illuminating. I think it's easy to forget how far back the roots of some phenomena go, and just look at the seemingly irrational gap between present realities and people's behavior. You give reason for hope for the future.
Ironically, Orthodox 'Ashkenazim are more similar to American Fundamentalist Protestants than are Sefaradim. The former are more puritanical in religious outlook while the latter have the laid-back attitude of Louisiana Cajuns and some even are open to higher criticism.
Actually, George W. Bush made some inroads among Jewish voters in 2004.
>Why are so many supposedly "conservative" columnists harping so much about less than 2% of our population?
I wonder myself why too. I mean, they're numerically irrelevant leftists. Were I in charge of RNC, I'd go after bigger ethnic groups to expand our tend.
I then said, "I just don't understand it! If the Catholic Chruch in America falls, who is NEXT?! One would think that the Jews would have learned after 2000 years of persecution."
Of course, I wasn't around then so I can only judge by those Jews whom I know something about. The two most renowned Torah scholars of the Middle Ages were Maimonides (RAMBAM) and RASHI. Maimonides lived in Golden Age Spain where his family led a secret Jewish existence. When Maimonides was a young adult, his family fled first to Morocco, and not finding peace there the fled to Egypt, Palestine, and back to Egypt. In Egypt Maimonides was put on trial for his life having been accused of converting to Islam and then returning to Judaism. We are supposed to be grateful that the nice Muslims acquitted him. RASHI lived in France and made wine.
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Yup, abortion of "non humans" is the trump card. I have always been bothered by this. I thought Jews, of all people, would be the most sensitive people on earth to the slaughter of innocents, but no. I don't think I've ever met a Jewish person who wasn't pro abortion.
In the last two elections 2% wouold have swung the tide. My ex complains about the Jews who put such emphasis on Israel in his Democratic club work in Boca Raton.
I've given a lot of thought to the general question of Jewish leftism over past years, since it's an area of personal concern. There are some pertinent comments on the thread, especially #35 IMO.
A large percentage of American Jews came here as leftists and have handed down the traditions of leftism from generation to generation, just as other Americans *used* to hand down our traditions of individual freedom and personal liberty. My opinion is that one of the reasons that American Jews have clung to leftist traditions so doggedly for several generations is simply because they were excluded so long from so much of American society. But now that society is open to Jews, I have hopes that the traditions of the left will be abandoned and those of freedom embraced. I tentatively believe that is now happening.
Jewish tradition records a prohibition of abortions for non-Jews that is more absolute than the prohibition of abortion for Jews.
>In the last two elections 2% wouold have swung the tide.
True, but you can't get 100% of a group to vote for you. You can, however, get an additional 2% of Christian votes for example, which in essence amounts to more than 100% of the jewish vote. You gotta go and pander for the larger base and disregard the numerically irrelevant ones.
A woman of my acquaintance who works for a marketing research firm that does some political demographics makes your points in great detail.
Unfortunately, she considers the President too liberal and so was banned by the Bushbots here at FR.
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