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Medieval Irish warlord boasts three million descendants
NewScientist.com ^ | 1/18/06 | AFP and NewScientist.com staff

Posted on 01/19/2006 6:04:01 PM PST by wagglebee

Up to three million men around the world could be descended from a prolific medieval Irish king, according to a new genetic study.

It suggests that the 5th-century warlord known as "Niall of the Nine Hostages" may be the ancestor of about one in 12 Irishmen, say researchers at Trinity College Dublin, Ireland. Niall established a dynasty of powerful chieftains that dominated the island for six centuries.

In a study of the Y chromosome - which is only passed down through the male line - scientists found a hotspot in northwest Ireland where 21.5% carry Niall’s genetic fingerprint, says Brian McEvoy, one of the team at Trinity. This was the main powerbase of the Ui Neills, which literally translated means "descendants of Niall".

McEvoy says the Y chromosome appeared to trace back to one person.

"There are certain surnames that seem to have come from Ui Neill. We studied if there was any association between those surnames and the genetic profile. It is his (Niall's) family."

Enduring dynasty

The study says that Niall "resided at the cusp of mythology and history but our results do seem to confirm the existence of a single early medieval progenitor to the most powerful and enduring Irish dynasty".

The results also lend support to surviving genealogical and oral traditions of Gaelic Ireland and are a "powerful illustration of the potential link between prolificacy and power".

The study says the chromosome has also been found in 16.7% of men in western and central Scotland and has turned up in multiple North American population samples, including in 2% of European-American New Yorkers.

"Given historically high rates of Irish emigration to North America and other parts of the world, it seems likely that the number of descendants worldwide runs to perhaps two to three million males," the study says.

Modern surnames

It compares the result with similar research that suggested that Mongol emperor Genghis Khan has 16 million descendants after conquering most of Asia in the 13th century.

Though medieval Ireland was Christian, divorce was allowed, people married earlier and concubinage was practised. Illegitimate sons were claimed and their rights protected by law.

"As in other polygynous societies, the siring of offspring was related to power and prestige." The study points out that one of the O'Neill dynasty chieftains who died in 1423 had 18 sons with 10 different women and counted 59 grandsons in the male line.

Niall of the Nine Hostages, who became high king of Ireland, got his name from using the taking of hostages as a strategy for subjugating his opponent chieftains. He is known in folklore as a raider of the British and French coasts. Supposedly slain in the English Channel or in Scotland, his descendants were the most powerful rulers of Ireland until the 11th century.

Modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include (O')Neill, (O')Gallagher, (O')Boyle, (O')Doherty, O'Donnell, Connor, Cannon, Bradley, O'Reilly, Flynn, (Mc)Kee, Campbell, Devlin, Donnelly, Egan, Gormley, Hynes, McCaul, McGovern, McLoughlin, McManus, McMenamin, Molloy, O'Kane, O'Rourke and Quinn.

Journal reference: American Journal of Human Genetics (February issue)



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; ancientnavigation; fartyshadesofgreen; genealogy; genetics; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; ireland; niall; niallofthe9hostages
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To: TWohlford
I made a little graphic on just this very problem....

feel free to use it whenever you like.

PS: not a slap at wagglebee either. :-)

21 posted on 01/19/2006 6:52:42 PM PST by xcamel (Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
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To: wagglebee
All the Irish all decended from Kings. I am on both sides of my family (although someone tried telling me that I wasn't Irish because my family only moved there in the 11th century -- but there was a branch there hundreds of years before that).

This was probably the only interesting thing I've read about in the New York Times in weeks.

22 posted on 01/19/2006 6:54:52 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: wagglebee
All the Irish all decended from Kings. I am on both sides of my family (although someone tried telling me that I wasn't Irish because my family only moved there in the 11th century -- but there was a branch there hundreds of years before that).

This was probably the only interesting thing I've read about in the New York Times in weeks.

23 posted on 01/19/2006 6:55:37 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: patton

Relative of yours? lol


24 posted on 01/19/2006 7:06:27 PM PST by Emmalein (To each his/her own.)
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To: devolve

Ping


25 posted on 01/19/2006 9:32:36 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: xcamel

This thread is "new to me".


26 posted on 01/19/2006 9:47:46 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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Thanks Waggs. Turns out that this Niall guy was gay as a (obscure anachronistic reference follows) wild goose, and the real origin of this Y chromosome was the O'Neill's mailman. It's kinda sad, really.

This is number three of this subject, so I'm just addin', not pingin'.

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27 posted on 01/19/2006 10:22:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: xcamel

OMG... I had no idea it was that bad. I'll add the other six we didn't have. ;') Thanks!


28 posted on 01/19/2006 10:23:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: wagglebee
Sounds like I may be one of this guy's descendants. The furthest I can trace back is Cullo O'Neill, who helped Robert the Bruce win an important battle in Scotland. Instead of continuing with the O'Neill name, Cullo's son became McCullo, or McCulloh, or McCulloch. My great-great-great grandpappy Henry Eustace McCulloch and his brother Benjamin missed the Alamo only because Ben got the measles while they were on the way to Texas to meet up with close friend and neighbor, Davy Crockett. He was a Texas Ranger, fought in the Mexican War, fought in the Civil War (he and brother Ben were the only two brothers who were both Connfederate generals). The name began to be spelled McCullough after one of his sons obtained a land grant and the name was spelled wrong. The family decided it was easier to change the family name than the grant.
29 posted on 01/20/2006 12:45:21 AM PST by DallasMike
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To: wagglebee

The study points out that one of the O'Neill dynasty chieftains who died in 1423 had 18 sons with 10 different women and counted 59 grandsons in the male line.


It is a little known fact that O'Neill was the first NBA player. ;-)


30 posted on 01/20/2006 1:04:13 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: wagglebee

Apparently George McGovern is your distant cousin.


31 posted on 01/20/2006 1:35:45 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Arthalion
Close, but not quite.

Goes to show, memory doesn't serve me so well any more!

;^)

32 posted on 01/20/2006 5:34:36 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Tanniker Smith

I want my castle!


33 posted on 01/20/2006 5:41:25 AM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: xcamel

It goes beyond duplicity....


34 posted on 01/20/2006 7:09:34 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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