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Alas for irreducible complexity.
1 posted on 01/18/2006 6:10:35 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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Alas the article is so full of "could of's" and "speculate" that it's hardly science.

You know, the ear could of evolved from mothers pulling their kids up by the side of the head. I speculate that this pulling motion hurt the kids and hearing evolved as a kind of early warning system that let them know when their mom was coming to pull on their head.

Now I'm an evolutionist. Pay me.

107 posted on 01/18/2006 7:07:36 PM PST by DouglasKC
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Yeah and evidence shows most Democrats can still talk out of their rear ends. :)


114 posted on 01/18/2006 7:11:33 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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YEC INTREP


115 posted on 01/18/2006 7:11:35 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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They might have gone with the evolution of the eye. But there is none in the fossil record. The eye simply "appears" in each phylum with no antecedent.

Likewise reproduction. It evidently has to have been "programmed" in from the beginning, or there'd be no "evolution" to discuss.

127 posted on 01/18/2006 7:22:35 PM PST by onedoug
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I can hear ya breathing..
144 posted on 01/18/2006 7:37:20 PM PST by crz
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To: PatrickHenry

New answer to the immortal question:

How does a fish smell?

(drumroll)

Awful!

(budum-chhh)

(crickets)


148 posted on 01/18/2006 7:44:14 PM PST by P.O.E.
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THIS JUST IN:
Washington, AP. Scientists at the National Institute of Evolutionary Physics reported today that their just completed $27 million study may have proved conclusively that the walls have ears!

162 posted on 01/18/2006 7:57:01 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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In case anyone actually wants to check out the paper:

Nature 439, 318-321 (19 January 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature04196

Tetrapod-like middle ear architecture in a Devonian fish

Martin D. Brazeau1 and Per E. Ahlberg1

Few fossils show the incipient stages of complex morphological transformations1. For example, the earliest stages in the remodelling of the spiracular tract and suspensorium (jaw suspension) of osteolepiform fishes2, 3, 4 into the middle ear of tetrapods have remained elusive3. The most primitive known tetrapods show a middle ear architecture that is very different from osteolepiforms such as Eusthenopteron3, with little indication of how this transformation took place. Here we present an analysis of tetrapod middle ear origins that is based on a detailed study of Panderichthys, the immediate sister taxon of tetrapods. We show that the spiracular region is radically transformed from osteolepiforms and represents the earliest stages in the origin of the tetrapod middle ear architecture. The posterior palatoquadrate of Panderichthys is completely tetrapod-like and defines a similarly tetrapod-like spiracular tract. The hyomandibula has lost its distal portion, representing a previously unrecognized advance towards a stapes-like morphology. This spiracular specialization suggests that the middle ear of early tetrapods evolved initially as part of a spiracular breathing apparatus5, 6.


181 posted on 01/18/2006 8:35:41 PM PST by Ichneumon
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ears could have started evolutionary life as a tube for breathing

On the basis of this new fossil evidence, the team speculates

the widened spiracle may have served

Alas for irreducible complexity.

Alas for irreducible pomposity.

184 posted on 01/18/2006 8:50:24 PM PST by razorbak
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Oh, great - another evolutionary fairy tale.


186 posted on 01/18/2006 8:53:16 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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"Our ears could have started evolutionary life as a tube for breathing, say scientists...."

Yeah, but I haven't breathed through my ears for some time now. ;^)

188 posted on 01/18/2006 8:58:22 PM PST by nightdriver
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Al Gore failed to evolve! He's breathing hard!!


205 posted on 01/18/2006 10:22:09 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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I think this is a picture of the study specimen.
206 posted on 01/18/2006 10:27:01 PM PST by jennyp (WWJBD?)
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There are times when my ears plug up so bad I feel like I can't breathe.


208 posted on 01/18/2006 10:50:27 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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FYI

From the article:These allow the fish to inhale water over their gills while lying on the seabed, and avoid gulping in grit through the mouth.

I've kept rays in aquariums. In addition to moving water over their gills, they'll also squirt it out of their mouth to stir up the sand/gravel to find food.

217 posted on 01/19/2006 2:40:32 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to lie - joebucks)
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To: PatrickHenry

Evolution, the tool of the quasi-scientist.


238 posted on 01/19/2006 5:38:52 AM PST by conservative barking moonbat (2000 Light years from home)
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I understand sometimes our ears dont hear?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


evolution?


243 posted on 01/19/2006 6:14:29 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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Here's an article explaining the process of exaptation, which this is a perfect example of.
259 posted on 01/19/2006 9:07:48 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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Awesome. The evolution of ears and the evolution of hearing is fascinating.
283 posted on 11/24/2009 7:29:46 PM PST by chipguy123 (Evolution of Hearing, Evolution, Sound, Mammals, Amphibians, Reptiles, Fish, Birds, Vertebrates, Ear)
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Irreducible complexity is not an argument that evolution does not occur, but rather an argument that it is “incomplete”.


284 posted on 11/24/2009 7:35:48 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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