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Our ears once breathed [evolution of ears]
Nature Magazine ^ | 18 January 2006 | Helen Pearson

Posted on 01/18/2006 6:10:34 PM PST by PatrickHenry

Our ears could have started evolutionary life as a tube for breathing, say scientists, after examining the ancestral structure in a 370-million-year-old fossil fish.

Evolutionary biologists are intrigued by how complicated sensory organs evolved from structures that may have had completely different uses in ancestral creatures. The bony structures in ancient fish, which at some point turned into ears, for example, appear to have had mainly a structural function, bracing the cheek and holding up the jaw. How exactly they made the transition to their role in hearing has proved a bit of a mystery.

The ear is a relatively easy organ to study. Its evolving bones have been preserved as fossils, whereas the soft tissues of other specialized features, such as eyes and noses, have long decayed.

So Martin Brazeau and Per Ahlberg of Uppsala University in Sweden decided to take a close look at the ear-like features of an ancient, metre-long monster from the Latvian Natural History Museum in Riga. Panderichthys was a fish, but is thought to be closely related to the earliest four-limbed tetrapods that eventually climbed on to land and gave rise to modern vertebrates.

The researchers examined Panderichthys and found that the bony structures in its head combine features of fish and tetrapods, capturing a snapshot of evolution in action. "It's neat to see that transition," says Hans Thewissen who studies the evolution of the ear and other organs at Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, Rootstown.

Half-way house

Ancient fish have a narrow channel from the roof of the skull into the mouth, known as a spiracle, which is bounded by a long bone known as the hyomandibula that braces the cheek. In tetrapods, the equivalent bone is stubbier, a step towards the stirrup-like stapes bone that helps to transmit sound waves into our skulls.

The team found that Panderichthys has a wide, straight spiracle rather than a narrow one, and a shortened hyomandibula. They report their findings in Nature1.

Some have previously speculated that our ancient ears may have had a role in breathing.

On the basis of this new fossil evidence, the team speculates that the widened spiracle may have served Panderichthys much like the breathing holes used by modern-day sharks and rays. These allow the fish to inhale water over their gills while lying on the seabed, and avoid gulping in grit through the mouth.

The demonstration of an organ evolving provides tangible evidence against the idea, put forward by some proponents of creationism, that sensory organs are so intricate that they must have been designed by a higher being. Brazeau says: "It's a slap in the face to that kind of thinking."


Footnote 1: Brazeau M. D.& Ahlberg P. E. Nature, 439. 318 - 321 (2006).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; sweden
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To: wyattearp
Your reply is sexist, but that's OK--sometimes I wish I'd chosen a different screen name so the boys couldn't always retreat into romance metaphors when the discussion annoys them. Why keep posting to me? I'll let you have the last word.

Whatever feminine silliness you ascribe, notice that I don't attempt to psych-anal you--

141 posted on 01/18/2006 7:33:14 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Ichneumon
His statement is objectively correct.

Objectivity implies undistorted by emotion or personal bias. The statement contained both emotion and personal bias.

It appears you are slandering his motives based on the fact that he makes a correct statement which you find uncomfortable for your beliefs.

No, I am interpreting his motives based on what he wrote. If you've ever read an article written by a liberal, you have to read between the lines to figure out what is really going on. You cannot take a liberal at face value. I do not know if this guy is a liberal, but he sure acts like one.

And nowhere have you established in any way, nor is there anything in the article which suggests, that he "detests" people like you.

Then why does he want to slap people? He seems pretty irrational with some violent tendencies as well.

It looks to me as if you're engaging in either psychological projection, or paranoia. Maybe both.

No, I am engaging in reality. You are the one in denial.
142 posted on 01/18/2006 7:35:09 PM PST by microgood
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To: Ichneumon
You might present him with a bit of logic.
For those of who would aspire to learning and the seeking of knowledge the world offers science, mathematics, philosophy and in general a education that furnishes the necessary tools. However if you aspire to mediocrity, reject change, fear knowledge, prefer indoctrination, seek dogma, and would have your life determined then by all means join a church. You will only have to read one book!!
143 posted on 01/18/2006 7:35:21 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: PatrickHenry
I can hear ya breathing..
144 posted on 01/18/2006 7:37:20 PM PST by crz
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To: Mamzelle
But you generally smell where you breathe (or taste).

But, I am not in this article, it's about a primitive fish and there's nothing in the article about that fish's manner of olfaction. Yet you said (But our ears could smell--until we evolved. That's according to the peers who pitch their wares here--) there was and used that false statement to criticize the article.

It would seem you're more motivated to hurl false claims that to honestly debate the substance.

145 posted on 01/18/2006 7:37:54 PM PST by Rudder
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To: wyattearp

It's always sad when people stick to their opinion and don't take into account that someone else, with differing views, might actually have knowledge that might have merit. People should be open to learning and possibly expanding their knowledge and horizons.


146 posted on 01/18/2006 7:40:51 PM PST by Emmalein (To each his/her own.)
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To: longshadow
Festival of the full moon, placemarker.
147 posted on 01/18/2006 7:42:33 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

New answer to the immortal question:

How does a fish smell?

(drumroll)

Awful!

(budum-chhh)

(crickets)


148 posted on 01/18/2006 7:44:14 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: jec41
You will only have to read one book!!

That's what you think.

Every time that I quote The Book, I am told that that's the Wrong Book, and I need to read a different Version of The Book, which says something totally different, and then somebody else pipes in with their Version of The Book, which says something totally different, and then somebody mentions differing Hebrew and Greek versions of The Book, which are the Only True Versions of The Book, which nobody actually has access to, assuming that they could read it if they did, so we have to rely on Translations of The Only True Versions of The Book, of which There Are Many, but only One True Translation, and the debate rages for days, sometimes weeks, and when it is all over nobody has any idea what actually happened.

149 posted on 01/18/2006 7:45:39 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Rudder
This article is whimsy and speculation. Caprice. A joyride of possibilities. Maybe it's how it happened--who can deny a maybe?--but the really great thing about evo-"science" is that you can present all these fruitings of the imagination and no one is going to hold your feet to the fire. This is unaccountable, whereas if you feed a person a bad medicine, the results are immediate and unmistakable.

A scientist is as good or bad as any other person--this is the basic assertion I make. They can discover a great medicine--or they can feed you hokum and jeer at you when you doubt them.

150 posted on 01/18/2006 7:46:04 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: crghill
These threads keep reminding me of the Sceptics Society. Have you heard of them? You'd think that an organization that calls itself "the Sceptics Society" would be an island of sanity and common sense in the crazy world of feverish fanatics of all kinds of ideas invented by fallible humans. Well, I suppose that you'd think that the ACLU... etc, I don't need to finish the sentence. The Sceptics Society, if you don't know them, is sceptical of astrology, of UFOs, of psychics and faith healers. Wow, what a brave crew, huh? What they are not sceptical of are any claims parading as "science" (or at least until they are disproven or revealed as hoaxes), or of their own scepticism. In my mind, a sceptic is a sceptic is a sceptic, and not a fanatical believer in some narrowly defined human pursuit. Such as, yes, science.

When it comes to metaphysical questions, I look to philosophy, literature and religion to ask questions and to sometimes provide some approximation of answers. Let science discover a cure for common cold and fully explain how aspirin works (another mystery of aspirin was reported by scientists this morning) before tackling questions that rightly belong to other disciplines.

151 posted on 01/18/2006 7:46:27 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Emmalein
It's always sad when people stick to their opinion and don't take into account that someone else, with differing views, might actually have knowledge that might have merit. People should be open to learning and possibly expanding their knowledge and horizons.

Which is why I read. A lot.

152 posted on 01/18/2006 7:47:29 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: wyattearp; Mamzelle
And you trust the PEERS? I'm glad America moved beyond the peerage. I don't need barons and squires and such--

Um, peer review is other scientists reviewing the research and attempting to replicate the experiments that produced the results. Peerage? Barons and Squires?

Actually the UK House of Lords has enough expertise under it's belt to blow any Paleyist organiation out of the water.

And then there is the practice of granting a peerage to emminant scienists - even the Creationist heroes Lord Kelvin and Lord Zuckerman got a guernsey (although I hold ouu hope for a Lord Dawkins as a successor to Lord Medawar)

153 posted on 01/18/2006 7:47:50 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering)
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To: DouglasKC
The word is "could've" -- as in "could have." "Could of" makes absolutely no sense grammatically.

And, unlike religionists, scientists never speak in absolutes because there is always the potential that tomorrow something could turn up that would obviate any given statement.

154 posted on 01/18/2006 7:49:07 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: PatrickHenry

And some people's asses still talk.


155 posted on 01/18/2006 7:49:12 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Honest, you don't have to think in metaphors or even catch a pun. That's not for evos. Just let it all whiz by.


156 posted on 01/18/2006 7:50:00 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Oztrich Boy
Ha! Not a squire among them!

(thanks, though, that was interesting)

157 posted on 01/18/2006 7:51:52 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
And some people's asses still talk.

Especially after a large meal of legumes.

158 posted on 01/18/2006 7:52:50 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Ichneumon
...this is where the amphibian/reptile system of using a modified bone (the hyomandibular in fish) as a sound transmission rod (the stapes bone in amphibians and their descendants).

If you check out my post 29, it seems that the distal strucures of the ear (tympanum, ossicles, etc.) and their evolution coincide nicely with the evolutionary development of the proximal, neural structures of the vertebrate ear (and the data I posted were reported in the 1930's and '40's.)

159 posted on 01/18/2006 7:53:52 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Oztrich Boy
Why, it was Superman, of course.
160 posted on 01/18/2006 7:55:31 PM PST by curiosity
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