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'Four Mothers' For Europe's Jews
BBC ^ | 1-14-2006

Posted on 01/14/2006 7:10:07 AM PST by blam

'Four mothers' for Europe's Jews

There are now some 8m people of Ashkenazi origin around the world

Almost half of Europe's Jews are descended from just four women who lived 1,000 years ago, a study says. Scientists studied the mitochondrial DNA - passed from mother to daughter - of 11,000 women of Ashkenazi Jewish origin living in 67 countries.

The Ashkenazis moved from the Mid-East to Italy and then to Eastern Europe, where their population exploded in the 13th Century, the scientists say.

One of the authors said the study shows the importance of Jewish mothers.

"This I could tell you even without the paper," Dr Doron Behar of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology told Reuters news agency.

Genetic signature

The four women are thought to have lived in the Middle East about 1,000 years ago but they may not have lived anywhere near each other, according to the study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

However, they bequeathed genetic signatures to their descendents, which do not appear in non-Jews and are rare in Jews not of Ashkenazi origin.

The Ashkenazis are thought to have travelled from the Middle East to Italy in the first or second Centuries.

In Central and Eastern Europe, many spoke Yiddish - a form of German, mixed with Hebrew.

Ashkenazi comes from an old Hebrew word for Germany.

By the outbreak of World War II, there were some nine million, some two-thirds of whom were killed by the Nazis.

There are now some eight million people of Ashkenazi origin living around the world, the researchers say.

Some 3.5m, or 40%, of them are descended from the four women, they say.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeanjews; europes; four; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; jews; mothers

1 posted on 01/14/2006 7:10:10 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/14/2006 7:10:38 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

3 posted on 01/14/2006 7:14:56 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam
"There are now some eight million people of Ashkenazi origin living around the world, the researchers say"

And do you think that any of them ever call me?


4 posted on 01/14/2006 7:18:04 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam

Except for a really strange time-line (that left out Spain and North Africa completely), I suppose this is possible although the claim that none of these women have a non-Jewish descendant is not likely at all ~ probably half the people who post/read FreeRepublic know several people descended from these four women and who would certainly be surprised to hear of any Jewish ancestors.


5 posted on 01/14/2006 7:19:10 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: blam; rmlew; Yehuda; Vom Willemstad K-9
It's intersting that four is the maximum number of wives that a Muslim is allowed to have.



6 posted on 01/14/2006 7:28:39 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: blam

bump


7 posted on 01/14/2006 7:34:01 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: muawiyah

Yeah, mathematically it doesn't add up. All we need is for one of those 40% to intermarry and have a child, and boom, the claim's exploded. And logically speaking many of them already have intermarried and had children, certainly within the last 80 years, and sporadically well before that.


8 posted on 01/14/2006 7:35:22 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory

I suspect the problem is in using too small a sample size, and with too great a focus on traditional rabbinical families.


9 posted on 01/14/2006 7:41:16 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

The Jews who lived in Spain are not Ashkenazim--their descendants are the Sephardic Jews (who continued to speak Spanish into the 20th century in many cases).


10 posted on 01/14/2006 8:22:30 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: blam; Alouette; Salem; SJackson

Ping!


11 posted on 01/14/2006 8:28:52 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("MOO...BANG...MOOO!")
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To: Verginius Rufus
Jews who lived in Spain and who were expelled from Western Europe to Eastern Europe were absorbed into Ashkenazem.

There are also Jews whose ancestors migrated from Baghdad during the Balkan Wars to Vienna and other Eastern European points. They are indistinguishable from Jews previously residing in those areas except for their tendency to have occupational surnames in Ladino, the language of the Spanish Jews. Many such families who moved further East, to Kazan after its clearance of Moslems by the Russians in the 1700s, took extensive family genealogies with them that make all of this quite clear.

Spanish Jews who moved to North Africa and the Eastern Mediterranean at the time of the expulsions of the 15th and 16th century are more correctly identified as Sephardic.

It is incorrect to identify the small population that migrated from the Eastern Mediterranean to Venice in the 1100s (to Geto) as consisting of all of the ancestors of all the Eastern European Jews.

12 posted on 01/14/2006 6:00:19 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: blam
Thanks Blam.

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14 posted on 01/14/2006 9:54:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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15 posted on 01/16/2006 11:00:48 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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