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The Religion of Science (Evolution as Faith!)
CHJ ^ | Jan 14, 2006 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 01/13/2006 8:24:51 PM PST by WatchYourself

How can someone observe, study or experiment on evolution? Evolution is the process of something moving from one stage of development to another. What do we really have to scientifically prove evolution?

A scientist might have a fossil, but we can only speculate as to the age and appearance of the animal creating that fossil. No one has ever witnessed evolution of life, no one here now was there to observe, study and experiment. Like it or not, we can only form theories and beliefs about what might have been. As sound as these theories might be, they are and will always be theories. Evolution is simply a system of belief based on what we think might have happened. Those who believe in evolution have faith in the scientist’s abilities to speculate and imagine what might have been. This is not science. This is faith.

It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief. If public schools are not allowed to teach religion, then the theories of evolution have no place in a public school classroom. If they are allowed to teach theories based on faith, like evolution, then creationism should be taught also.

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To: Echo Talon

Where did the first sign of life come from? The first single cell organism? What did it evolve from? Life just started from nothing?

Where did God or the ID evolve from? Were they just started from nothing or did another God or ID make them and who made them etc. forever.


81 posted on 01/13/2006 10:15:08 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41
Where did God or the ID evolve from? Were they just started from nothing or did another God or ID make them and who made them etc. forever.

I don't believe your supposed to raise or even try to answer that one.

83 posted on 01/13/2006 10:20:12 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Kuiper
I enjoy your reasoning, Kuiper. The Great Scientist must shake his head in amazement at these created people. Can the Creator not suspend the scientific laws that He initiated? Scientific laws are valid all the time except when the maker of the laws suspends them.(Joshua 10:13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=joshua%2010&version=31)

Once you get to this point, the Creation account and a young earth aren't difficult to accept. However, the belief in the Creator is the starting point.
84 posted on 01/13/2006 10:22:15 PM PST by The Optimist
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To: calex59

are just that:Theories. An invisible force is and invisible force, whether it is God or Evolution, therefore is subject to the same hypothesis: They are both false because they lack evidence.

Lets get on the same page. What is your idea of a hypothesis, a theory, and evidence?


85 posted on 01/13/2006 10:22:53 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Kuiper
When have I been untruthful?

Nowhere.

That was a reference to an earlier post of mine in which I developed a partial argument of the fallacies of creationists. Your committed error number 2.

Because you WANT abiogensis to become a part of the evolution science is insufficient. You, if to be in the realm of science, must provde compelling data first, not just mere argument.

...untruthfullness here is relative untruthfullness; the evolutionists repeating misleading information and disproven assumptions.

Now you've committed error No. 1: (lying.)

86 posted on 01/13/2006 10:23:08 PM PST by Rudder
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To: WatchYourself
//Those who believe in evolution have faith in the scientist’s abilities to speculate and imagine what might have been. This is not science. It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief.//

Same conclusion I reached 30 years ago.

Wolf
87 posted on 01/13/2006 10:24:16 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: dandelion

I essentially agree with this. "By making it a cause" as you say, it has acquired the status of doctrine.

We may note that not all strains of popular skepticism are religiously motivated. The very funny _Science Made Stupid_ mocks evolution, commenting that it makes a lot of sense, "especially if you don't think about it too much." It goes on to suggest a compromise amalgam of creation and evolution.

Then we have the venerable Firesign Theater in their album _I think we're all Bozos on this Bus_, poking what we might call gentle fun - "... yes, many uncomplicated peoples still believe this myth, but here in the technical vastness of the future, we can guess that the past was surely very different. We know for certain, for instance, that for some reason, for some time in the beginning, there were hot lumps ..."


88 posted on 01/13/2006 10:29:25 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: elfman2
Nonsense. Everything not proven is not "faith". Evidence (falling short of proof) separates it from faith.

You are wasting your time as I have mine. Argument would suggest that for debate one should possess logical deduction or empirical proof. They do not possess elements of either.
89 posted on 01/13/2006 10:29:40 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41
Evidence would be real physical evidence, of which there is very little, if any, I emphasize the any part. Most evidence, so called, of human evolution can be put onto a table the size of an ordinary kitchen table. Finding a leg bone does not prove an animal is related to Humans.

It seems strange that 6000 species of chimpanzie lived on this earth at one time but during this same time period, every dig unearths humanoids and not chimapanzees, Lucy for instance was proven by the french to be a chimpazee, but Americans still tout her as a human ancestor.

Christianity, to be fair here, has even less evidence, almost all of it is faith based, but then again so is evolution.

NO TRANSITIONAL speices exist. Period, you can lie about it, fake it, claim it, but in the end none exist.

Darwin himself had doubts about his theory and said that if the transitional species didn't turn up soon, then his theory was in the toliet, but of course Dariwnist insist that this theory is correct regardless of the evidence which suggest otherwise. Like christianity, evolution is not provable, unless of course you want to accept conjecture and false fossils as evidence.

90 posted on 01/13/2006 10:34:57 PM PST by calex59
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To: Kuiper
But if the earth is proven young

No, I don't accept ifs. To predicate a statement with if is presupposing that everything is possible, nothing is possible, nothing is true, everything is true, the evidence exists, and no evidence exists. A false supposition based on one's opinion.
91 posted on 01/13/2006 10:42:50 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Kuiper
What is your opinion on the status of KNM-WT 15000, the "Turkana Boy" human or ape?
92 posted on 01/13/2006 10:43:35 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("What is the sense in 'atin' those 'oom you are paid to kill?" - Kipling)
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To: Echo Talon
With evolution [ vs. astronomy ] its the time not the space that is so far away.

Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across, and takes hundreds of millions of years to rotate once, so we can say that "deep time" is very definitely a requirement of any meaningful study of astronomy.

93 posted on 01/13/2006 10:43:50 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: calex59
Lucy for instance was proven by the french to be a chimpazee, but Americans still tout her as a human ancestor.

So do the cheese-eating surrender monkeys

94 posted on 01/13/2006 10:47:07 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("What is the sense in 'atin' those 'oom you are paid to kill?" - Kipling)
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To: dr_lew
Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across, and takes hundreds of millions of years to rotate once, so we can say that "deep time" is very definitely a requirement of any meaningful study of astronomy.

So when the Bible says the heavens and earth were created in 7 days. could be interpreted 6 X(times) hundreds of millions of years to rotate once(Which could constitute a day)

95 posted on 01/13/2006 10:47:30 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: uptoolate
First 11 Chapters of Genesis lay down all the major doctrines of the New Testament. If one error can be found in those 11 chapters then the whole book could be called a falsehood.

You shouldn't say things like that. Somebody might take you up on it.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis have two very different stories of creation. Things are done in different sequences. The creation of woman is different. The two creation stories contradict one another. Open contradiction is a blatant error. Therefore, the book of Genesis is false. QED.

Have a nice day.

96 posted on 01/13/2006 10:51:03 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: WatchYourself

read later


97 posted on 01/13/2006 10:56:07 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: Syncretic

You are certainly correct that the origin and nature of consciousness have not been successfully addressed by science. We may note, however, that medical and neurological studies give every indication that consciousness is entirely dependent on the material organization of the brain in its every detail.


98 posted on 01/13/2006 11:01:32 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Syncretic
Can you explain the human consciousness? Just Wondering

Every one does not have a conscience. In some societies only three out of five have that ability. At one point it was thought that all knowledge was inherent and then it was supposed to the opposite that all knowledge is learned. Now there is some empirical proof that ~ 40% is inherent and ~60% is learned. It is thought that the invention of law was to provide a solution to the situation and allow those with and without conscience. Some of the earliest law was the 10 commandments but before then was the foundation of law by the Greeks and their reasoning of the necessity. Being without conscience does not mean one is without reason.
99 posted on 01/13/2006 11:02:01 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Kuiper

> I'm actually surprised there are even five evolutionists on Free Republic

There are a great many of us. Science and Conservativism go together, and thus we can tell that the vast mountain of evidence for evolution is countered by nothing but infantile whining from "other." Deal with it.


100 posted on 01/13/2006 11:04:24 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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