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Scientists: Donner Family Not Cannibals [Donner Party story debunked?]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/12/06 | Scott Sonner

Posted on 01/12/2006 6:06:49 PM PST by TFFKAMM

There's no physical evidence that the family who gave the Donner Party its name had anything to do with the cannibalism the ill-fated pioneers have been associated with for a century and a half, two scientists said Thursday.

Cannibalism has been documented at the Sierra Nevada site where most of the Donner Party's 81 members were trapped during the brutal winter of 1846-47, but 21 people, including all the members of the George and Jacob Donner families, were stuck six miles away because a broken axle had delayed them.

No cooked human bones were found among the thousands of fragments of animal bones at that Alder Creek site, suggesting Donner family members did not resort to cannibalism, the archaeologists said at a conference of the Society for Historical Archaeology in Sacramento, Calif.

"The Donner family ended up getting the stigma basically because of the name," said Julie Schablitsky, one of the lead authors. "But of all the people, they were probably the least deserving of it."

The sawed and chopped animal bone fragments, recovered during an archaeological dig over the past three years, do suggest "extreme desperation and starvation," the study said. One of the animals eaten was a pet dog — presumably "Uno," mentioned in some of the children's later writings.

"The Donner Party's experience was bad, but it wasn't as bad as everybody's been told," said Schablitsky, a historical archaeologist at the University of Oregon's Museum of Natural and Cultural History.

The findings by Schablitsky and Kelly Dixon, an assistant professor of anthropology at the University of Montana, don't necessarily disprove the accounts of cannibalism told by rescuers and survivors stranded in a fierce winter storm in the mountains southwest of Reno and north of Truckee, Calif...

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To: Petronski

The German guy -- one of the best and most sparingly written characters in any film. His entire personality revealed in about 1/2 second.


61 posted on 01/12/2006 6:47:42 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Mike Darancette
"They have a "Donner Party Reunion" among the descendants of those that made that fateful journey. I imagine that they watch each other closely."

Won't even ask about the catering.......but I bet ribs are on the menu.....

62 posted on 01/12/2006 6:48:43 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: rwfromkansas

We've been Netflix customers since mid 2000. We love the service, and it got even better when they opened a distribution center in Worcester, the town next door. Now, if we put a DVD in the mail on Wed., they receive it on Thurs., ship out a new one to us that afternoon, and we usually receive it on Friday! It's great!


63 posted on 01/12/2006 6:48:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: TFFKAMM
Re: "No cooked human bones were found..."

They say the same thing about the grounds of the Kennedy Compound... But I'm not satisfied!

64 posted on 01/12/2006 6:48:58 PM PST by Bender2 (Even dirty old robots need love!)
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To: Bender2

Mark Twain did a hilarious short story on a group of stranded Senators on a train, "Cannibalism in the Cars". Worth reading.


65 posted on 01/12/2006 6:50:26 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: durasell

Good actor too. He was Tupolev, the Sov Alfa captain in Hunt for Red October.


66 posted on 01/12/2006 6:52:36 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: rwfromkansas

We switched to Netflix vs. renting at Blockbuster.....and haven't looked back. Superb service, and SO fast in getting you your movies it is unbelievable. I am dying to study their logistics/distribution model to see how they do it.


67 posted on 01/12/2006 6:52:57 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Riley

Lassie. Irish girl/woman. Diminutive of Lass.


68 posted on 01/12/2006 6:53:22 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: TFFKAMM
Bon apetit. A good read of a horrendous story.
69 posted on 01/12/2006 6:54:21 PM PST by TEEHEE
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To: Petronski

I *know* what it means- I happen not to be one.


70 posted on 01/12/2006 6:54:33 PM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: Petronski

Really? Cool!

Who is the Russian(?) actor in The Saint who plays the oligarch. The guy was great, but I haven't seen him in anything else.


71 posted on 01/12/2006 6:54:34 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: The Right Stuff
I like it when he starts a collection of humanity with a Baptist from the wilds of Arkansas and ends with a Salvation Army Colonel...

"I left for an hour," Twain said, "and when I returned, there wasn't a specimen left alive!"

72 posted on 01/12/2006 6:54:47 PM PST by Bender2 (Even dirty old robots need love!)
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To: bannie

Stay away from the left wing?


73 posted on 01/12/2006 6:55:23 PM PST by MichiganCheese (A muslim couple reminiscing about their kids; "they blow up so fast, don't they?")
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To: Riley

I'm not referring to you. I'm referring to the blonde in the film with the thick Irish accent.


74 posted on 01/12/2006 6:55:54 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: The Right Stuff

Re: "Mark Twain did a hilarious short story on a group of stranded Senators on a train, "Cannibalism in the Cars". Worth reading."

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75 posted on 01/12/2006 6:56:35 PM PST by Bender2 (Even dirty old robots need love!)
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To: Petronski

Ah- I read it as if there'd been a comma present. My gaffe.

Doing three things at once here.


76 posted on 01/12/2006 6:57:10 PM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: durasell

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0784884/

I think this is the guy.


77 posted on 01/12/2006 6:57:57 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Riley

Multitasking is good.


78 posted on 01/12/2006 6:58:52 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

Yep. That's him. Good to see he's working. For reasons I don't quite understand, I have a fondness for that movie.


79 posted on 01/12/2006 7:01:13 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: TFFKAMM
Scientists sometimes "discover" things that contradict historians, which puts both fields in danger of being found out.

So they didn't find any charred bones, did they?

Perhaps the survivors ate the innards of the deceased, such as the liver, kidneys, stomach, heart, etc. In the 19th century, more so than today, such organ meat was considered a delicacy.

And they wouldn't be desecrating the dead by dismembering them.

80 posted on 01/12/2006 7:01:46 PM PST by logician2u
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