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Creationists say fossil discoveries back their theories
THE ORLANDO SENTINEL ^ | Jan. 07, 2006 | Jim Stratton

Posted on 01/08/2006 2:56:32 PM PST by Dichroic

Most paleontologists look into the mouth of an allosaurus and see a prehistoric eating machine with a jaw full of flesh-tearing teeth.

Peter DeRosa peers into that mouth and sees the hand of God.

Working from a business park about 80 miles north of Tampa, Fla., DeRosa and his family are hammering away at two bedrock principles of modern science: evolution and the notion that Earth is about 4 billion years old.

The DeRosas are part of a small but growing band of creationists using dinosaurs - the icons of an ancient Earth - to argue that the world is only 6,000 years old. The DeRosas' tool of choice? The fossilized bones of Ebenezer the allosaurus and other creatures cramming their makeshift laboratory.

"It's very clear in Scripture. God's word is true," said DeRosa, 22.

"Everything we've found supports that." The DeRosas run Creation Expeditions, a ministry that relies on dinosaurs to spread what they say is the infallible word of the Bible.

The family operation includes Peter, his brother Mark, sister Leah, and parents Pete and Linda.

The DeRosas have no formal training but have studied dinosaurs and fossils for more than a decade. .......... The DeRosas' digs have produced impressive results. They have uncovered a 22-foot-long allosaurus - a smaller relative of the T. rex - and a 15-foot-tall edmontosaurus, a plant-eating, duck-billed dinosaur.

The DeRosas and their movement, in essence, are trying to turn science against itself.

By digging up fossils and interpreting their finds, some creationists hope to convince others that evolution and a 4-billion-year-old Earth are nonsensical notions unsupported by the data.

They maintain, for example, that they've found organic plant matter buried with fossils indicating the animals died only a few thousand years ago.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creationism; creationistping; creator; creovlist; crevo; crevolist; evo; evolution; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; meettheflintstones; mentallyill; supernaturalistbs; youngearthcultists
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1 posted on 01/08/2006 2:56:35 PM PST by Dichroic
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To: DaveLoneRanger; PatrickHenry

Crevo vs Evo ping


2 posted on 01/08/2006 3:00:24 PM PST by Dichroic
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To: Dichroic

Moron alert.


3 posted on 01/08/2006 3:00:36 PM PST by Al Simmons ('A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user' - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Dichroic

And an Allosaurus is not a relative of the T-Rex, other than the fact that both were Theropod dinosaurs.


4 posted on 01/08/2006 3:01:37 PM PST by Al Simmons ('A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user' - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Dichroic
Most paleontologists look into the mouth of an allosaurus and see a prehistoric eating machine with a jaw full of flesh-tearing teeth.

Peter DeRosa peers into that mouth and sees the hand of God.

News Flash! Allosaurus eats GOD!

5 posted on 01/08/2006 3:04:47 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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LOL


6 posted on 01/08/2006 3:07:15 PM PST by Dichroic
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To: Dichroic
"The DeRosas have no formal training but have studied dinosaurs and fossils for more than a decade."

All I need to read.

I have studied beer for 35 years. I still do not consider myself an expert. It is made with good old fashioned science.

7 posted on 01/08/2006 3:08:48 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Dichroic

I guess they have to say radio-dating is bogus, otherwise they look like fools.


8 posted on 01/08/2006 3:14:22 PM PST by canuck_conservative (leadership has responsibilities!)
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I guess they have to say radio-dating is bogus, otherwise they look like fools.

Nah, I think they have that part covered either way.

9 posted on 01/08/2006 3:20:04 PM PST by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I have studied beer for 35 years. I still do not consider myself an expert.

Perhaps more research is needed ===> Placemarker <===

10 posted on 01/08/2006 3:21:04 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Dichroic
They charge $500 per person for five-day excavations.

Ah, the almighty dollar; the usual motivation factor for creationist "science".

11 posted on 01/08/2006 3:23:31 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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"It's very clear in Scripture. God's word is true," said DeRosa, 22.

Is DeRosa claiming that the Bible says that the Earth is only 6,000 years old?

If he is, he is very mistaken because the Bible does NOT say that, nor does it even infer that.

In fact, there is very strong evidence in the Bible that man walked the Earth long before Adam, even though he became extinct and left no progeny.

It's very disappointing when those claiming to be Christians are so very ill-versed in the scriptural Authority that legitimizes their faith.

12 posted on 01/08/2006 3:33:50 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Dichroic
They have uncovered a 22-foot-long allosaurus - a smaller relative of the T. rex

Relative?

"Don't mention Common Descent. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it."

13 posted on 01/08/2006 3:39:23 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Free Speech is not for everyone, If you don't like it, then don't use it)
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In fact, there is very strong evidence in the Bible that man walked the Earth long before Adam, even though he became extinct and left no progeny.

Really? Could you give the chapter and verse on that one?

14 posted on 01/08/2006 3:39:30 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: wyattearp
News Flash! Allosaurus eats GOD!

No more calls, ladies and gentlemen! We have a winner!

15 posted on 01/08/2006 3:41:52 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Dichroic

You can study dinosaurs all you want. You can dig them up. You can run your hands over the bones, and show them to people, and you can look into the mouth of an Allosaurus. None of that proves the age of the Earth.

The absolute age of the Earth is so well documented (as being well over 3 billion years) by radioisotope studies that anyone who does not accept the results just doesn't understand. There are many people who don't like to face facts.

What puzzles me is why this should make any difference to our religious beliefs one way or another.

The Bible is not supposed to be a science almanac. It has very few meaningful numbers in it. OK: there are ten commandments just by simple enumeration, but almost all the other numbers are hyperbole, or else just figurative. No real data is given, such as how tall Jesus was, or even what his birthdate was. Why then, do some people think that they should be able to figure out from the Genesis story just when a minor, rocky planet was formed, much less the Universe? It isn't in there. It's not part of the Bible story! There are many other things which are not in the Bible. There are, for example, almost no personal descriptions. Esau was hairy, David was shorter than Goliath. Other than that, we aren't even told what the various characters looked like. Apparently, it was not important to the main story. We don't even have a physical description of Jesus.

The Bible says nothing about atomic theory. Nothing even about gravity. Nothing about how to find petroleum, or how to manufacture plastics. We must assume that the Bible is not intended to tell us about such things.

Jesus himself alludes to some meteorological information at one point: just enough to make a point, but without giving us a textbook on the subject. Clearly, the point of the story was not to make a weather prediction. He was making a different point

I don't know anytwhere in the Bible where God says, "You don't need to use your brains, because all the answers are here. It was a mistake for Us to have made you with any judgment at all, because all you have to do is look right here. You should have turned out as a worm. Sorry. Our mistake." No, the Bible doesn't say that.

Some islamists have had the attitude that everything is in the Koran, but nobody with any wit should adopt such a view. Certainly Christians should not treat their Bible like that.


16 posted on 01/08/2006 3:41:56 PM PST by docbnj
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To: Dichroic

Where did the calcium in the teeth and bones of dinosaurs come from?


17 posted on 01/08/2006 3:42:07 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Dichroic
They maintain, for example, that they've found organic plant matter buried with fossils indicating the animals died only a few thousand years ago.

But I thought that dinosaurs never lived – the fossils were created by God and embedded in the Earth just to confuse us!
18 posted on 01/08/2006 3:44:57 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Dichroic
I wish for once all this conflict over Creation vs Evolution would stop.

Religion is based on faith...

Science is based on fact...

I believe God made the Earth and heavens, I just don't think he took seven 24-hour days. I can live with those seven days being 14 billion years or so long.

Those who are strict Creationists will never see eye to eye with Evolutionists and the Science Crowd will never agree with those believing only in each and every word of the Bible.

Let it go and let us all here on FR agree to disagree on this and keep the focus on defeating those Godless Democrats!

19 posted on 01/08/2006 3:45:56 PM PST by Bender2 (Even dirty old robots need love!)
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To: Junior

Archival


20 posted on 01/08/2006 3:47:59 PM PST by PatrickHenry (ID is to biology what "Brokeback Mountain" is to western movies.)
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